NHS Policy Audit - working party - thread #2

[KnottyAuty]

This is a thread about “keeping the receipts” on NHS Policies prior to the Supreme Court ruling on 16th April 2025.

Our working theory is that there were no single sex spaces for NHS Staff or Patients in the entire country before that date, having all been removed by stealth. We are aiming to prove this by auditing websites and policies for all the UK trusts and using the results to raise public awareness. As well as recording what has happened historically, the information will form a baseline so we can check which Trusts comply or defy the judgement in due course.

We are working around the country region by region. If you fancy getting involved in a bit of grassroots feminism then please do join in to help!? Each trust takes about an hour to research and you can upload online without giving any personal details away. Comment below and we can give you the link to an online survey - it changes for each region.

Thanks soooo much to all the vipers who have helped so far and @ Twoloons for doing a great job with the thread wrangling!

Here are the press articles we’ve managed to generate so far:

Scotland:
25th March: The Telegraph
https://archive.is/dTUhY
26th March: Scottish Daily Express
https://archive.is/kaLCB
26th March: The Telegraph
https://archive.is/iSD9m

London:
21st April: The Telegraph
https://archive.is/awGuz
23rd April: The Telegraph (in conjunction with another thread by NHS mumsnetters)
https://archive.is/1DO8d

Original thread #1 here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1

Oh I'm prepared to listen if actions match words. Fair enough if he's done more than I remembered/had picked up on.

I'm just a bit suspicious of all the "I've always said... [thing I've never said before]" style reactions from people who until recently were merrily throwing women under the bus for a quiet life.

Apologies - accidentally submitted a partially complete form for Princess Alexandra Hospital. Please delete - I will try again tomorrow when I am more awake!

Don’t worry - it’s super easy to do! We will fix once you submit the full form. Thanks for letting us know!

"Gender Critical-ness is defined as a process where a person is proposing to, is undergoing, or has undergone, a process to change their level of peak by altering their awareness of weaknesses in the philosphies underlying the gender identity ideology. This definition includes all stages of transition, from planning to completing the process"
As defined by me.

I think Wes started his transition after meeting the Darlington nurses in December 2024. Seems like he is coming along nicely

Or if you press the back arrow on your browser you might find it all sitting there quite happily and you can add to it?

Alternatively just add in the bits you didn't do last time and we can combine
Thanks!

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I think Wes started his transition after meeting the Darlington nurses in December 2024. Seems like he is coming along nicely

Has there been any news on the Darlington nurses case recently?

Watch out you don’t end up on some sort of MI5 watch list with that phrase!

I think Wes has been pretty good and am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for things thought but not said. I'm sure the 'transing away the gay' aspect of it all has probably horrified him the most but he's actually listened to other concerns too - he met the Darlington nurses rather than branding them all bigots or ignoring them. He's also implemented many of the recommendations of the Cass review rather than trying to dodge it by claiming it was instigated under the Tories and we need a new review (or other typical politician delay tactic)..

Given what is obviously the prevailing culture in the Labour Party of really not caring what harms occur even to children - which Lucy Powell let slip- he's very much pushing against the tide. I don't think we should underestimate how difficult it has been for him to do as much as he has done, and I suspect there has been a lot of pressure from party apparatchiks to not do any of it.

Most of them seem to have zero morals at all, that doesn't seem to be true of Wes, thankfully. I suspect also he's more intelligent than most of them (not a high bar) and can see how this period of insanity will look from a distance of a decade or so.

Loving Knotty's use of TRA terminology for Wes's 'transition' to being a sex realist!

Norfolk and Norwich University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust submitted

I can do another one if any still unallocated

Thank you! I’ll pop the updated list on here in a min!

Bumped from July until October unfortunately.

Good point.

I did comment to the Telegraph that we were not "activitists" and instead a small bunch of concerned "mothers".

So if anyone is "watching" - welcome - There are now numerous incidents of TRAs on camera committing public order offences over many years. Threats of death and violence are illegal. There are known offenders on camera breaking parole conditions etc. Do your job and deal with people who are actually breaking the law. AND Radical TRAs are clearly up alongside Incels so please put them on the Prevent list where they should have been for years. It is only a matter of time that this happens, so why not just get it done now and save us all a lot of bother?

[friendly wave and smiles]

Not sure if anyone replied to this, but yes, please do summarise and include all links. I would have to go back to look at the London audit, but it’s not ringing any bells!

Sorry, I’m just getting caught up on the thread here. Thank you for that extra maternity bit. Are you able to do a quick jotform entry with that in it? Just give it the same name, but flag it as to be added to the other form - just say EXTRA or something obvious and we’ll pick it up. If not, let me know and I’ll add from the back end (as it were 🤪).

Ugh. Having read so many detransitioners’ stories, the number of them who say that they are neurodivergent and that it was that that underpinned their feelings of isolation and weirdness, and not being trans, the forced teaming of neurodiversity and trans issues really makes me cross.

Quoting this to get it in front of a few more eyeballs…

Yes of course

Having looked at a community NHS trust that produces staff training and information for children with SEN and their parents, I suspect that there is a whole other research project here referencing NHS provision outside of acute hospitals. There seems to be lots of affirmation going on, despite Cass emphasising that affirmation is not a neutral act. Plus children being given links to the usual LGBTQIA+ groups and websites, including IRL groups that mix children and adults.

Thanks - sorry for late reply - I still have to read these links. Really interesting thanks for posting - yes please to the summaries!

I've gone back to the notes which don't mention that stuff on the Neurodiversity but did include this cracking quote:

The move to single sex wards, whilst enhancing quality of care for many service users, has also created a dichotomous context for gender identification that might not be ideal for transgender service users, especially when they are in the phase of transition. Allocation of transgender patients to single-sex mental health wards is a point of care that can go wrong

No further investigation of this bold statement was provided ...

This is a good one to flag up for more digging - thank you!

Back to Annex B (previously E)

Not sure if you have these yet?

1. An early case study of how eliminating mixed sex was going at Imperial College Healthcare trust, London - which has some useful references in it

091110ChangMixedsex.pdf

1. Privacy and Dignity The elimination of mixed sex accommodation Good Practice Guidance and Self Assessment Checklist, which seems undated but came up when searching for the 2007 doc of the same name referenced in the article above

https://www.dignityincare.org.uk/_assets/Resources/Dignity/CSIPComment/PrivacyAndDignity_final_pdf_as_published.pdf

I don't know why the bullets want both points to be 1.

Can I just take a moment here to say:

This feels like the opposite of every group project I’ve ever been involved in. It’s like we somehow managed to find all the people who were the ones who single-handedly carried all group projects and have put them together in one place to create the most amazing group project ever.

Thank you all you amazing people.

Ok, back to your regular programming.

The move to single sex wards, whilst enhancing quality of care for many service users, has also created a dichotomous context for gender identification that might not be ideal for transgender service users, especially when they are in the phase of transition. Allocation of transgender patients to single-sex mental health wards is a point of care that can go wrong

You don't say🙄

UPDATED LIST - shout if you spot any errors!

East of England

[italics = claimed, strikethrough = completed]

Bedfordshire, Luton and Milton Keynes

• Bedfordshire Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - Cantunseeit
• Milton Keynes University Hospital NHS Foundation Trust - Cantunseeit

Cambridgeshire and Peterborough

• Cambridge University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - noisiesttermagant
• Cambridgeshire & Peterborough NHS Foundation Trust - Blackmetallic
• Cambridgeshire Community Services NHS Trust - WithSilverBells
• North West Anglia NHS Foundation Trust - Faffertea
• Royal Papworth Hospital NHS Foundation Trust - NeedMoreTinfoil

Hertfordshire and West Essex

• East and North Hertfordshire NHS Trust - FarriersGirl
• Hertfordshire Community NHS Trust - FarriersGirl
• Hertfordshire Partnership University NHS Foundation Trust
• Princess Alexandra Hospital NHS Trust - umbel
• West Hertfordshire Hospitals NHS Trust

Mid and South Essex

• Essex Partnership University NHS Foundation Trust - teawamutu
• Mid and South Essex NHS Foundation Trust - teawamutu

Norfolk and Waveney

• James Paget University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - YellowRoom
• Norfolk Community Health & Care NHS Trust - Cantunseeit
• Norfolk and Norwich University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust - Cantunseeit
• Norfolk and Suffolk NHS Foundation Trust
• Queen Elizabeth Hospital Kings Lynn NHS Foundation Trust

Suffolk and North East Essex

• East of England Ambulance Service NHS Trust
• East Suffolk and North East Essex NHS Foundation Trust
• West Suffolk NHS Foundation Trust

Would you like to pick your own, or are you happy with a lucky dip?