Leaving the country -

[mumda]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk.//politics/2025/04/24/trans-people-seek-asylum-abroad-after-supreme-court-ruling/

Labour peer Lord Cashman says some friends looking to leave Britain because they fear for their safety and futures

Lord Cashman did not provide any evidence to support his claim.

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I think makes a connection with the Brexit row. People unhappy with an outcome make all sorts of claims and shouty-ness with threats attached.
Ignore how you feel about Brexit - because it's divisive. This is exactly the same. Trans is divisive. Families are lost over it - quite literally.
Humans can not change sex. People don't want to accept this and are going through the grieving process.
Just remember how long after the referendum is it, and how divisive a subject that is still.

If you accept the 7 stages of grief in the grieving process. They include shock, denial, anger, bargaining, depression, testing, and acceptance.

They are in shock still and will be for some time.

The initial stage of grief, often characterized by shock, involves feelings of disbelief, numbness, and a sense of unreality. This can be accompanied by physical symptoms like elevated heart rate, nausea, chest pain, and headaches. People in shock may also experience emotional detachment, difficulty sleeping and concentrating, and increased sensitivity to their surroundings.

They will be perceiving this as a physical threat to their wellbeing - they are not going to be thinking rationally.
Their shock feelings will be considered anxiety - they will assume this anxiety is because of a greater threat.

Part of this is because many of these trans-activists do not understand the concept of being a woman has been to "be kind". Suddenly we are perceived to not be being kind - when in reality nothing has changed.
They are accepting the words of truth as a danger to their person, because it is a shock to them and they have translated this as anxiety and threat.

When Trump won the election, I remember similar hysteria and many saying they would flee the US.
I wonder how many have actually left

I wish they would leave. Let them go and find happiness in whatever delightful women-hating utopia will have them.

Absolutely no country will give these narcissistic idiots asylum when there are people fleeing actual war.

'So long, farewell, Auf Weidersehen, goodbye'

This smacks of vitue signalling. I doubt many of Lord Cashman's friends are short of a bob or two. People like that have no legitimate concern over their safety or future, for any reason, let alone just because they can't use the women's toilets.
As the OP @mumda says any issue that's divisive always has a bunch of people at the top of the food chain, usually narcissstic attention seeking celebs, who threaten to leave the country. They all seem remarkably similar in their views and political leanings.
Only a vanishingly small few ever make good on their emotional blackmail theat attempt. In my opinion they should be held to it, as in deport the buggers if they refuse to make good on their promise. Call it breach of contract, and kick them out. Some even go through the charade multiple times over different issues, and I usually end up thinking "I effing wish you would instead of just pretending".

Jamie a Oliver was going to leave after Brexit, wasn’t he? Still here though.

But anyway, fine. If you don’t like a country and find its laws and mores unpleasant, live somewhere else ( if they will have you). That’s your privilege as a free human.

It’s not your privilege to break those laws and attempt to bamboozle the public into thinking that they are not laws anyway.

I suggest that for certain people who have enough money to cover whatever their heart desires with no concern for the cost, the idea of something they can't get their own way on might cause a tantrum. What do you mean I can't have my way on Brexit???? You're fired!

It astonishes me that people and organisations in positions of responsibility don't see how they're making the situation worse for the people they claim to care about. Constantly repeating the hyperbole that this simple clarification of existing law is catastrophic and an existential threat to trans people seems incredibly cruel - the opposite of the kindness they demand from women.

It just shows the cultish nature of this ideology. They don't want the reassurance of facts, they demand evidence of faith and loyalty to the cause, even when that means exaggerating the things they claim to be so terrified about. I don't know about anyone else but I can't think of any other situation where this happens?

Depends what he means by leaving. Having the dosh to buy a villa in Marbella or fancy apartment in Berlin is not seeking asylum. I doubt any of his mates are going to wash up in a dinghy somewhere with just the clothes on their back. Typical Cashman hyperbole.

Just looked up Lord Cashman ( never heard of him before). It seems that his distinction is having acted in Eastenders for twenty years. Now he occupies himself as a patron of Stonewall.

What would we do without the House of Lords to guide us with their wisdom?

Asylum is an odd choice of word. Is that even close?

Feel free to find a country where men are prioritised and dc safeguarding lost if it makes them happier. I’m glad the U.K. had the SC, FWS and everyone who pushes back.

We'd have a uni-cameral parliament with no checks on its occasional lunacy.

Threatening to leave the country is on a par of teenagers threatening to leave home because the parents said no. Just more emotional blackmail.

They can go to Germany or Spain which have batshit self-ID laws, for the time being anyway. If they can get a visa.

I do hope the door doesn't bang them on the arse on their way out.

Can I just point out the irony inherent in his name Lord Cash man

Bye then

Every re-action is an over re-action with these muppets, it must be exhausting to live at such an extreme level.

It really is this 👆

Together with Labour, the LibDems, the Greens and every institution that tried to force women to undress, shower, have rape counselling, have lesbian events and compete in sports with men, Screaming Lord Cashman can fuck off, come back and then fuck off again.

Pffft. They should just be honest and say "We're going to leave for the same reason everyone else does: We're old, we've got a bit of money and we want warmer weather"

https://archive.ph/clGwL

https://www.thetimes.com/article/af876a16-c348-4761-bf7a-267682f9e73b

Read this recently. We're not talking big numbers but there are some.

Sorry, that was in response to GreenFriedTomato's post.

"When Trump won the election, I remember similar hysteria and many saying they would flee the US.
I wonder how many have actually left"

If anybody does move for this reason, I'd expect them to be back fairly soon. I still think this country is more tolerant than many.

I can understand the sentiment, but I wouldn't want to make it harder for women in other countries to revoke Self-ID by exporting outspoken activists.

Some US activists in turn consider moving to the UK, so maybe the country isn't so bad..

What a load of bloody nonsense! All talk. Lord Cashman’s lovies have spare cash to buy a holiday home somewhere but they are not leaving the UK. He is another one just totally out of touch with the majority of the population.

All this talk about UK not being safe & being concerned about their future is the same shit that Harry & Meghan harp on about.

There are deffo some countries that will not be safe and trans may not be welcome.

Trying telling a Ukrainian or Palestinian that how concerned you are about your future in the UK.