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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How things might have unfolded in a similar but parallel universe

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TrainersSpotter · 24/04/2025 14:18

I feel as though a lot of today's shitstorm stems from the pioneering gender doctors telling male patients it was a-ok, necessary in fact, to non-consensually invade women's spaces before coming back two years later to have their dick off.

What if those doctors had been less misogynist in outlook? What if there had been some foresight at the time of society becoming less homophobic? That gay marriage would be legalised etc?

Perhaps those men with crippling dysphoria borne of homophobic, sexist upbringings and abuse could have instead been prescribed 2 years of therapy. Hopefully some would find peace, especially seeing the gains of Stonewall in its heyday: "some people are gay, get over it". Those who were heterosexual chancers might find the therapy and notion of surgery took the wind from their masturbatory sails somewhat.

Any who were still adamant they wanted their dick gone could have surgery only after completing therapy and perhaps then be issued with some sort of card or lanyard for using women's facilities. Or maybe a better solution would have been found?

Stonewall and co would have campaigned for gay rights and genuine acceptance for trans people. But none of this deceptive coercive bullshit about passing, or mandatory pronouns, or gendered souls, or female brains, or that people who disagree want you dead (what a thing to tell a vulnerable person!), or suicide myths etc etc. No implying that deception is at the heart of a trans identity. Transwomen are transwomen. Nothing wrong with that.

I fully understand the reasons women don't want to share with post op transwomen either. But I'm remembering many / most of us came from a starting position of empathy for those who'd had the full op and I do retain a sliver of sympathy for those consigned to the cubicles in the men's cos fuck knows dick owners seem incapable of treating toilets correctly. I guess in my thought experiment trans activism didn't turn up to metaphorically and literally piss all over women's rights.

If things had run along these lines I think there'd be a lot more genuine acceptance of trans people now. Feminism and the political left could have made far greater gains if this issue hadn't torn the movements apart. Ultimately there would be greater diversity and less need for people to be trans because less homophobia, less sexism, and less misogyny.

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loveyouradvice · 24/04/2025 15:10

I so agree @TrainersSpotter

Raquelos · 24/04/2025 21:34

I agree, and within the trans community itself, there is often a quiet acknowledgement of the difference in the groups huddled under that too broad umbrella. With the dysphoric, post op (or on that path) men who usually unobtrusively try and live their lives in their acquired gender, separate from the more vocal and often activist fetishists and separate again from the transvestites who don't pretend to be anything but men in women clothes. The first, in my opinion, is by far the more vulnerable group and has been served a huge disservice by the TRA movement, which has done nothing but make their lives harder as they come under more polarised scrutiny.

I remind myself occasionally that the first group exists away from the shouty threatening men to prevent myself from completely morphing into a furious vengeful harpy in victory (for too long)

DragonRunor · 24/04/2025 21:55

I also agree, right up to the idea of allowing post-op men into women’s spaces. I don’t think access to those spaces is a consolation prize for losing your dick. Nor do I think it’s reasonable to encourage men to go through brutal surgical and pharmacological treatment by offering a greater level of acceptance to those who do. Mostly, I’d like to see a much broader acceptance of “non-conformity” within the categories of men and women across society.

I genuinely think that third, unisex spaces should be provided for anyone who wants to use them alongside single-sex spaces

Barearse · 24/04/2025 22:11

It’s almost like we’ve been given the chance to start over again with the clarification by the SC: Uber feminine men are still men and uber masculine women are still women. It’s time to accept them into their original sex categories without discrimination, prejudice or harm. Just over a week ago, being a trans ally meant supporting the eradication of women’s rights. Since the SC judgement, trans ally’s can be those who voice support for trans safety and acceptance in the single sex spaces that align with their biological sex. We are back where we started and thankfully we are now on the right track.

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