So The Judgment will obviously go to the ECHR ...

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Can somebody please explain how that works? Who defends the UK Courts' decisions? And do we have to crowdfund them, or will it fall on the taxpayer?

Thanks. I like to get my worrying in early!

Having watched the Good Morning Britain slot with RMW I get a strong feeling they want to be stopped using the women’s toilets so they can sue the relevant organisation.

RMW has said cases will go to ECHR - Personally I think it’s only a hope on their part because they can’t believe they are being told No.

biological🙄 how to work that out from people who can get pregnant.

If a men are people too
And men can go through pregnancy
Discrimination can happen because people may get pregnant without ever being pregnant
how can the woman prove that she suffered discrimination by not being promoted
when all the men who can get pregnant too were promoted

In fact look.... women over 50 and men of any age get promoted on a regular basis so this proved that the pregnancy discrimination never happens in this workplace.🙃

It needs a few people to sue and prove that however apologetic the judge may be, it turns out that women have legal protections.

Soz about that.

The outrage so many people have expressed at the SC’s confirmation that women do have rights has been sobering. I’m convinced GI got so much traction so quickly because of its inherent misogyny and lesbophobia.

The only time that I have been deleted on MN was when I complained about arguing with a lesbophobe who was arguing that transwomen can be lesbians.

The problem they will have is where to draw the line with allowing men into female spaces.

The SC has already shown that the GRC makes an unfair two tier system for transwomen so RMW would have to argue that men without a GRC should not be allowed to access female only spaces and that would not go down well with the rest of the TRAs.

Particularly as RMW has stated they don’t have a GRC. This may have changed but RMW always seemed to miss that only TW with a GRC were included in the Scottish Governments argument.

Demonstrating the reliance on no one being able to check for a certificate and therefore all men having self ID via a few men having a GRC.

The judgment goes into several times how it can't work on groups of men and who might have what or have done what. And even a man who's had full surgery and has the certificate and shows it on request, is still a man, removing women's rights to a single sex space and to meeting their own needs in the belief his needs outweigh theirs. And if any man is permitted then how do you say no to all the other men?

Situations such as for example a mixed sex group of lesbians and men who identify as lesbians who are happy with and enjoying their community, are going to be fine to keep going, they just need to describe the name and purpose of the group accurately. They will need to be open to any men who want to be there and will rely on the purpose of the group attracting only those men who want to enjoy the group. The most important thing will be that if another group of lesbian women set up sessions in the same area, they cannot now bully, harass and attempt to force those women to let men join.

Yes, and as the SC judgment reiterated, TW without a GRC were never permitted to go into women’s single-sex spaces on any grounds in the first place.

Even the Scottish government had conceded that point before it went to the SC.

The decision about men without a GRC not being permitted to access women's spaces dates from FWS's first judicial review decision of Feb 2022. And given there is only 4 months to take a case to the ECtHR that one is unarguable.