Get the violins out - Stonewall is "in crisis"

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Our biggest LGBT charity is in crisis. Are we just going to let it collapse? LGBT people need armour; an organisation like Stonewall to act as a first line of defence

Stonewall, Britain’s largest LGBT organisation, is in crisis. It’s plummeting financially, with rounds of redundancies as funding cuts hit. And its credibility and influence is plunging amid a national and global backlash against LGBT rights.

This matters. If someone asked you to name the first LGBT organisation that comes to mind, I would bet my cat you’d say Stonewall. Since it was founded more than 35 years ago, the charity has become entwined in our country’s psyche, Parliament, schools, sporting and business sectors. But for how much longer?

However you feel about Stonewall, we need a conversation about the state of the biggest charity defending LGBT people. And we need to ask ourselves a question as the opponents of all kinds of human rights lie in wait: are we just going to let it die?
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To highlight one recent example of Stonewall’s seemingly waning influence, I asked the Government several times recently whether it has consulted with Stonewall over a proposed ban on conversion therapy since taking office. A spokesperson from the Cabinet Office declined to confirm whether it has even had any meetings with the charity about it, instead offering vaguely: “We will engage further with a broad range of stakeholders.” I asked Stonewall three times, but they did not provide a response.

Perhaps both sides are being coy or don’t want the public to know that they’ve met. But either way, this is as bizarre as it is concerning. Stonewall was once the charity that lobbied every MP in the country to help pass the same-sex marriage law in 2013. Now, it is unclear whether they’ve even had a meeting with the new Government over the psychological torture of LGBT people
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Should it die, many will dance on Stonewall’s grave. But then many would happily see the rights of LGBT people revoked too – thereby exposing how much a strong, influential organisation for this community is still needed.

If you think it should return to only representing lesbian, bisexual and gay people, then you’re ignoring not only the plight of trans people but also how intertwined all these rights are and how many government’s incarcerate people for laws that oppress every letter in the acronym – or pass laws like the Equality Act that protect everyone (until that is chipped away).
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Complete article at https://inews.co.uk/opinion/biggest-lgbt-charity-crisis-stonewall-3645337
Can also be read in full at https://archive.is/yGTYs

(If LGB people can set up their own Alliance, why cant trans people do the same?)

I’m going to do the same for Sex Matters. Great idea.

I haven't got a violin. Not sure the unusual musical instrument without strings will make much noise. So sad.😂 Perhaps they should have remembered that gays, lesbians and bi people are attracted to sex, not a gender recognition certificate.

My violin feels mis-identified, I think it might be a lyre.

I think we need to be very wary going forward about any other ideologies that we are told to unquestionably accept, ones that appear to get disproportionate support from the same institutions as the trans ideology. We need to look out for the same markers - only one acceptable view point, vilification by MSM/SM - esp left wing for not following the narrative, cancellations, police/court involvement for speaking common sense but being labelled “hate”. Being told to “be kind”. Yet all the while having an undercurrent of misogyny.

The above are the materials of a Trojan horse, the one painted pink and blue was identified as such in the nick of time but not after many had been sacrificed.

But the patriarchal institutions have the design now, we need to be more ready next time.

Delicious.

I was feeling good about the SC ruling but seeing that two year old ‘trans’ info has made me angry again.

It’s not over yet and it seems the scandal is so wide-ranging the people who should be taken through courts won’t be.

I see many Stonewall employees are ‘open to work’ on LinkedIn

Total overreach from stonewall in the first place. They were becoming obsolete after the many wins for gay rights which were admirable but once a charity achieves its aims it will either massively shrink, close or find a new cause which will keep the money rolling in. They choose to focus on trans rights and whipped up a frenzy of demands from men in particular who wanted to be accepted as women, in women's spaces regardless of irrespective of their motivation or whether they had surgery, taking medication and so on. It kept the charity relevant and provided them with donations and other lucrative income streams like providing all that erroneous guidance to institutions and companies. They should be sued into non-existence.

I've worked in the charity sector and sadly many charities are grifts, they may lobby and provide leaflets and such but there is more concern about raising money to keep their offices and to be able to pay their wages and the wages of their executives than anything else.

I'm delighted to see so many donations to LGBA, and to tell you the truth I was a bit apprehensive that I might have overstepped and people might say 'Huh, who does she think she is, speaking for MN..' so I was relieved to see 11 'likes', and so many donations - phew.

It wasn't my idea originally it was MariadeiMiracoli's.
Great username, and you've performed your own little miracolo for LGBA's finances, brava!

Indeed, and education runs them a close second.

I'd also be very interested to hear the answer to this question. How in the world did these trans-activist organisations come to gain such a stranglehold over the UK's main public sector institutions, certain sectors of the judiciary, and main political parties? How did they manage to do this by stealth, before those harmed by their constant assaults on the rights of women and children shone sunlight on their actions and were ignored and persectued for ten long years and more?

How were Stonewall and Mermaids able to peddle lies as being actual law, dress those lies up as 'training', and encroach into people's workspaces to brow beat them into compliance with the law as they wished it to be, rather than as it actually was? Why was attendance enforced under pain of potential disciplinary action? Why were rainbow lanyards and pronouns in signatures used to 'police' potential non-compliance?

So many 'whys'. I don't know how we will ever receive answers, but I don't think we should rest until some are forthcoming. The NHS nurses/changing facilities cases and Sarah Summers case might help provide some. Another thing I suspect is coming over the horizon is a mass legal action, in the wake of the Cass Report, against those involved with the Tavistock - individual liability now they've closed it to avoid potential corporate negligece - and its medical transitioning of children without question and without proper safeguarding procedures. Why this isn't already a national scandal is testimony to the amount of power Stonewall, Mermaids et al have wielded for the past decade.

How?

Who backed them, who swallowed and force-fed others their doublethink, who enabled them, and who turned a blind eye to the harm they were so obviously doing?

I really, really want heads to roll for this.

When same-sex marriage was legalised, that was the last LGB civil rights battle won. Stonewall needed a new purpose to keep paying all those C-suite people their eyewatering salaries and so they pivoted to trans demands.

Indeed. What happened to the oft repeated "No debate" rhetoric?

This is far as I've ever gone in dealing with questions to this end from students.

I don't give a view. I merely show them material they might want to read, and tell them to come to their own, independent and informed conclusions (which shouted/Tweeted slogans will never be able to provide). When asked for my actual opinion on the issue, I merely ask 'does it matter?', and bat the question back to this being about their own education - I have already been through mine.

What I do tell them, albeit I stop short of elaborating further, is that a belief system - any belief system - without room for debate or questioning is a very dangerous thing.

Yep. Frightening to think how close we came to self ID under her premiership.

Unfortunately stonewall sacrificed LGB under the alter of T

schools where I live used to have a
“Stonewall Club” at lunchtimes where children (mostly gay/lesbian/neurodiverse) could meet up. Teachers with no training on the matter and with zero attention to safeguarding, provided snacks and for the first time, these children felt like they’d found their people. The number of gender questioning, transitioning children skyrocketed.
I say “used to have” because thankfully most of these schools have now pulled away from Stonewall.
The damage has been done in many many cases though. It’s a question of when, not if, the avalanche of lawsuits start to pile in..

"It's credibility and influence is plunging" I wonder why. If they hadn't been so utterly shite they might be in a better place.

Charities are similar to businesses in that they have to "sell" what they do to donors to elicit support. If a charity moves so far from their charitable objectives their core donors won't support them and they also give out incorrect advice so they can't sell their consultancy then they deserve it.

Added to which, every charity I know (I work in the sector) is reeling from the impact of NI rises which won't have helped.

I will say that those organisations should have had the sense and guts to realise for themselves that trans women are not women. Did they really need to be told by some officially funded body?

Maybe the LGB community will finally be free to divorce both the T and Stonewall and join women in protecting their own interests.

I would gladly do some digging on behalf of a test case where gay and lesbian folk explicitly define same sex attraction not same gender attraction.

Honestly, Stonewall the ultimate grifters have now actively harmed LGB people and instead of doing a mea culpa they are doubling down on the 'narcissistic victimhood'.

Fantastic! This is the best news I've heard in ages and if Stonewall really does go down the tubes it will be even better.

The damage it has done over the last decade is incalculable - not just the damage to women and childrens' rights but also to those very few people who are genuinely suffering from gender dysphoria and have chosen to live and present as the opposite sex. Whereas before, providing they could pass reasonably well, they were able to quietly get on with their lives without attracting any attention, once Stonewall became involved, their lives immediately began to become untenable.

Stonewall's embracing of the trans cause and broadening the definition of trans to include all of those men who, regardless of whether they had attempted any level of transition whatsoever, felt entitled to access single-sex spaces, often simply to indulge their own pervy, voyeuristic pleasures, has been horrific.

Its tentacles have spread far and wide into every single one of institutions from where its plants negatively influenced and subverted public health and education policies. It's caused women who disagreed with the nonsense that is TWAW to be abused, threatened with violence, intimidated and in some cases, hounded out of their jobs. And what's happened to children, many of whom are ND or suffering from mental health issues and/or various childhood traumas is nothing short of wicked. It is the most vile and disgusting organisation and should be disbanded as soon as its coffers have been emptied compensating all of those it has wronged. Good riddance!

Thank you, @MarieDeGournay . I watched the hearing that Kate and Bev, both key players in Stonewall during the early days, were put through and thought they were both incredibly courageous, particularly at a time in their lives when they expected to be retired and enjoying an easier life. Like a lot of older lesbians who've had to give their lives over to fighting for what's right for years, they didn't anticipate they'd have to fight for their human and civil rights as lesbians.

I thought it was Re-Enchanting but she doesn’t seem to ever have been on there?

I think it’s most likely to have been this one: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2020/04/08/the-sacred-62-ruth-hunt She’s a fascinating listen. I kept wondering how does someone with those qualities end up like this, what makes her tick? I ended up feeling like the answer might be ‘nothing’. That she’s a collection of impressive skills, who could but for the flap of butterfly’s wings be doing anything.

I’ve not RTFT but thought some of you might enjoy this - even a corner of the BBC can see stonewall for what it’s become.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5321414-the-skewer-radio-4-and-stonewall?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

Thank you @MariadeiMiracoli and @MarieDeGournay. Have donated via Paypal. Unfortunately it doesn't let a message be added but hopefully the timing will be a big clue.