Get the violins out - Stonewall is "in crisis"

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Our biggest LGBT charity is in crisis. Are we just going to let it collapse? LGBT people need armour; an organisation like Stonewall to act as a first line of defence

Stonewall, Britain’s largest LGBT organisation, is in crisis. It’s plummeting financially, with rounds of redundancies as funding cuts hit. And its credibility and influence is plunging amid a national and global backlash against LGBT rights.

This matters. If someone asked you to name the first LGBT organisation that comes to mind, I would bet my cat you’d say Stonewall. Since it was founded more than 35 years ago, the charity has become entwined in our country’s psyche, Parliament, schools, sporting and business sectors. But for how much longer?

However you feel about Stonewall, we need a conversation about the state of the biggest charity defending LGBT people. And we need to ask ourselves a question as the opponents of all kinds of human rights lie in wait: are we just going to let it die?
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To highlight one recent example of Stonewall’s seemingly waning influence, I asked the Government several times recently whether it has consulted with Stonewall over a proposed ban on conversion therapy since taking office. A spokesperson from the Cabinet Office declined to confirm whether it has even had any meetings with the charity about it, instead offering vaguely: “We will engage further with a broad range of stakeholders.” I asked Stonewall three times, but they did not provide a response.

Perhaps both sides are being coy or don’t want the public to know that they’ve met. But either way, this is as bizarre as it is concerning. Stonewall was once the charity that lobbied every MP in the country to help pass the same-sex marriage law in 2013. Now, it is unclear whether they’ve even had a meeting with the new Government over the psychological torture of LGBT people
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Should it die, many will dance on Stonewall’s grave. But then many would happily see the rights of LGBT people revoked too – thereby exposing how much a strong, influential organisation for this community is still needed.

If you think it should return to only representing lesbian, bisexual and gay people, then you’re ignoring not only the plight of trans people but also how intertwined all these rights are and how many government’s incarcerate people for laws that oppress every letter in the acronym – or pass laws like the Equality Act that protect everyone (until that is chipped away).
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Complete article at https://inews.co.uk/opinion/biggest-lgbt-charity-crisis-stonewall-3645337
Can also be read in full at https://archive.is/yGTYs

(If LGB people can set up their own Alliance, why cant trans people do the same?)

There are over 300 LGBT rights charities in the UK, none of which apparently recognise the definition of LGB as being based in same sex attraction.

The only LGB charity in existence is the LGB Alliance, which trans activists have tried very hard to have stripped of its charitable status.

I fully agree that it's important to have organisations righting for equal rights for same sex attracted people in the UK. (And for trans people, come to that.)

But I honestly think that the sector is completely flooded with these organisations, most of which seem to be achieving very little, and it all needs scaling back to a reasonable number of organisations which actually serve a legitimate purpose.

Cant they see that their approach to trans activism at the expense of women’s rights has caused the damage? Lesbian groups are fearful of Stonewall and its male privilege approach.

And we are all bloody tired of these people and the media and the politicians telling the female population to shut up and be kind. Has Stonewall not seen the horrible terminology of TERF and cis-women? Have they not seen some of the violent behaviour of TRAs at demonstrations? Have they not read some of the horrible comments on social media?

Stonewall needs to get back to basics to re-gain support. The erasure of women and the introduction of all the cervix-haver, womb-carrier, chest feeder terminology needs to stop as the majority of the population is thinking WTF!

Below is the message on the Stonewall site re the SC judgment. If anyone can find a reference to lesbians and what it means for them, please say.

However if you go to the site today, the home page is a nice flag and a message proclaiming that this is Lesbian Visibility Week... Amusingly, the only click-through that doesn't work for me is the section on '6 campaigns for lesbian equality you should know about'. Presumably Stonewall couldn't find them.

Responding to today’s Supreme Court ruling, Stonewall CEO, Simon Blake OBE said:

“Stonewall shares the deep concern at the widespread implications for today’s ruling from the Supreme Court. It will be incredibly worrying for the trans community and all of us who support them.
“It’s important to be reminded the Court strongly and clearly re-affirmed the Equality Act protects all trans people against discrimination, based on Gender Reassignment, and will continue to do so.

“Once we read and fully digest the judgement, we will work with stakeholders across all sectors to provide as much clarity as possible.

“Stonewall will continue its work with the Government and parliamentarians to achieve equal rights under the law for LGBTQ+ people.”

This is how I feel about it.

Civil rights/human rights including gay rights were all based on objective reality. Trans rights are based on individual subjective internal experiences, which meant other people had to go against their objective reality to agree with.

When it was people with a severe and persistent dysphoria that made sense, but they included too many different groups and now it’s too complicated.

They made an absolute fortune saying the absolute opposite. Taxpayers have not only had to pay the fees for public sector bodies to pay into this scheme but also the compensation and court fees resulting from those bodies losing case after case. Yes, it is the NHS etc's fault too, but they were completely cheerled by Stonewall. They deserve to be 'in crisis'. I hope they get sued for breach of contract too, just to finish them off.

This. The lies that are still being propagated on MSM are shocking. Some of the interviews being done on BBC, ITV and channel 4 are very misleading.

"You do it to yourself, you do ..and that's what really hurts"

Good. I used to be a supporter until they hated women.

“Once we read and fully digest the judgement, we will work with stakeholders across all sectors to provide as much clarity as possible.
How does this not directly conflict with their "THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE" bit?? They still can't get their story straight in their death throes.

That ship had sailed long before SC ruling. Stonewall thought it could put the female population in its place and scare us by saying we were all bigots etc They said horrible things about female groups, calling lesbians who didn’t want to partner with trans women as transphobic racists

I don't think of Stonewall as an LGBT organisation, I think of it as a TQIA+++ organisation.

I think Stonewall's time in the sun is done.

There are LGB organisations to move forward.

I'm not sure the T is a cohesive group at all - I think it's quite a mix of different things and that is why it would be hard to have an umbrella organisation that represented them all.

From Az Hakeem's work it seems that providing better services for individuals with Autism and mental health issues, particularly for young people would provide the best outcomes.

They shouldn’t have lobbied against women.

Stonewall prioritised trans rights over gay rights. When you have trans identified men claiming to be lesbians it's impossible for a single charity to stand up for both trans and gay rights. Given the path Stonewall has chosen they should drop their pretence that they support gay people, and become a charity that has the sole purpose of supporting trans people. I wouldn't be sorry to see Stonewall vanish forever, given the hurt they have caused gay people and women.

Stonewall a fine example of the 'Ratner' effect. When you choose to slag off and alienate a big section your own client base look what happens. And that's before we even delve into the years of misinterpretation of the law they spread.

Stonewall created the climate in which distortions, misrepresentations and false narratives were peddled, which then went on to shape a kind of totalitarian ideology.

People were continually told that their 'rights' were under threat....and this has created a very fragile mentality, in which people feel their very existence is on the line - if the public doesn't affirm their delusion of having been born in the 'wrong body'.

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This in a nutshell.

I don't think of them as an organisation that's changed tack, Rather one that's been completely taken over and disembowelled, with nothing left of the original.

No person who advocates for homosexuality (particularly lesbians) would fail to see the contradiction in simultaneously advocating for trans ideology.

it's like having an organisation called Save the Elephant / Get Your Cheap Ivory Here.

It definitely needs to go.

If I was them, I might have considered rebranding myself as purely trans, but, who the fuck's going listen to them now?

I mean who makes their USP trans advice, whilst simultaneously, claiming that it's probably illegal! In massive capital letters 😁

The incoherence of stonewall is so striking, you have to wonder how they interact with each other internally. I'm guessing most of the adults have left the building, and it's being run by clueless kids.

That's what they have turned into. How can you possibly advocate for same sex attracted people ( who know what sex they are and are perfectly happy to be that sex, and love people who are the same sex as them-the definition of homosexual) when you are saying that on the other hand, sex doesn't matter and being on the same side as the type of people who say 'Soon there will be no gay children' when they are working for the Tavistock? Or say that Iran is a bastion of trans rights when they stone gay people to death and are effectively engaging in state sponsored Gay conversion therapy?

God, it's so snort worthy. We'll give you advice and also advise you not to listen to it 🤣

Oh please, Brendan O'Neill, please, please, write an article about this

Stonewall went from seeking acceptance through understanding to authoritarian demanding people bend the knee.

Stonewall isn't Stonewall any more.
Stonewall has answered the Ship of Theseus paradox, or Trigger's Broom paradox if you live in the East End of London.

Many new groups have sprung up to fill the void that Stonewall's withering has left behind. The sooner Stonewall closes down and lets others carry the torch of Stonewall's original values the better. Stonewall is just a parasite upon the public purse at this point.

The cluttered mis-shapen Stonewall juggernaut is hopefully steering itself into the scrapheap.

It has mutated into a thing that could not survive.

I feel that LGBA will evolve into the space previously occupied by Stonewall. Sensible, focussed and clear.

This also leaves room for a reasonable, moderate new organisation for trans people that recognises how complex this is and how, say, the middle aged straight man with a fetish is not the same as the confused thirteen year old autistic lesbian.

That maybe even recognises that the best service that can be offered is expert, compassionate psychiatric care, informed in trauma, neurodivergence, sexuality, CSA etc.

And recognises that a person with a difference in sex development is different again, and has different needs.

An organisation just can't do everything and do it well.

RSPB doesn't do lifeboats.
RNLI doesn't do heart disease.
BHF doesn't do cats protection.

It's not exclusionary; it's focussed.

Best news since the SCJ.

They gaslight, lied, shouted NO DEBATE and TRANSPHOBIA to anyone disagreeing with them. It’s no way to run any organisation never mind a charity.

Wasn’t it Julie Bindel who warned them if they followed added Trans to the LGB, there would be all hell to pay? Whoever it was they were right.

Plus I’m not sure why they aren’t being sued by all the organisations they have given incorrect legal advice to.

They've been in crisis for a long time. They've only realised it now.

I am deeply sorry for what happened in Stonewall. They took their amazing activism and their history and their acheivements that earned them such respect and they wasted them and threw them away,

I have zero sympathy for all the men who pushed this damaging gender ideology onto women and children.

Whether politicians or lobbyists. I hope they do lose their jobs.

I'm in a few journo/PR groups and there's a noisy minority trying to get people to play the tiny violins for men in dresses, including one PR who I saw pitching with the claim that they had people willing to speak and say "most lesbians don't support this" and lo and behold, they represented a group of TRAs.
This SC ruling has really brought out how misogynistic some journos are (again).