Get the violins out - Stonewall is "in crisis"

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Our biggest LGBT charity is in crisis. Are we just going to let it collapse? LGBT people need armour; an organisation like Stonewall to act as a first line of defence

Stonewall, Britain’s largest LGBT organisation, is in crisis. It’s plummeting financially, with rounds of redundancies as funding cuts hit. And its credibility and influence is plunging amid a national and global backlash against LGBT rights.

This matters. If someone asked you to name the first LGBT organisation that comes to mind, I would bet my cat you’d say Stonewall. Since it was founded more than 35 years ago, the charity has become entwined in our country’s psyche, Parliament, schools, sporting and business sectors. But for how much longer?

However you feel about Stonewall, we need a conversation about the state of the biggest charity defending LGBT people. And we need to ask ourselves a question as the opponents of all kinds of human rights lie in wait: are we just going to let it die?
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To highlight one recent example of Stonewall’s seemingly waning influence, I asked the Government several times recently whether it has consulted with Stonewall over a proposed ban on conversion therapy since taking office. A spokesperson from the Cabinet Office declined to confirm whether it has even had any meetings with the charity about it, instead offering vaguely: “We will engage further with a broad range of stakeholders.” I asked Stonewall three times, but they did not provide a response.

Perhaps both sides are being coy or don’t want the public to know that they’ve met. But either way, this is as bizarre as it is concerning. Stonewall was once the charity that lobbied every MP in the country to help pass the same-sex marriage law in 2013. Now, it is unclear whether they’ve even had a meeting with the new Government over the psychological torture of LGBT people
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Should it die, many will dance on Stonewall’s grave. But then many would happily see the rights of LGBT people revoked too – thereby exposing how much a strong, influential organisation for this community is still needed.

If you think it should return to only representing lesbian, bisexual and gay people, then you’re ignoring not only the plight of trans people but also how intertwined all these rights are and how many government’s incarcerate people for laws that oppress every letter in the acronym – or pass laws like the Equality Act that protect everyone (until that is chipped away).
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Complete article at https://inews.co.uk/opinion/biggest-lgbt-charity-crisis-stonewall-3645337
Can also be read in full at https://archive.is/yGTYs

(If LGB people can set up their own Alliance, why cant trans people do the same?)

in time there are going to be many documentaries followed by inquiries followed by reports ...all saying, how did this happen? why did no one speak out? how can we compensate the victims? who shall be punished?

You missed po-faced politicians solemnly stating "Lessons will be learnt so that this never happens again."

I haven’t seen that list before - it’s unbelievable that so many reputable firms and organisations could have been taken in by all the woo.

My employer is still on that list. I hope the whole edifice comes crashing down, and it cannot happen soon enough.

I have been trying to work out who has been giving them legal advice. They have nobody in-house and although plenty of law firms are “Champions” 🙄 none have ponied up any responsibility for the, shall we say, purposive way they have applied the law. (I’m a solicitor and reader of legal feminist so it interests me).

This is right up Nick Wallis’ street. Stonewall’s ’no debate’ is rather reminiscent of the post office’s attitude.

Nick Wallis peaked a few months ago, I sincerely hope he’s planning a post office stylee expose

How do you think any other group has managed to get this though?

It's through grass roots action and hard graft. No one gives it out on a plate.

If trans people need an organisation to support their interests, they need to organise and set one up, not whine that nobody else has handed it to them on a platter.

I'm sorry but I'm all out of fucks to give re the 'most oppressed group ever' narrative.

As pp have said, any useful group or charity would have to define exactly whose interests they are promoting and do do that from within the law and current good practice eg Cass Review. The trouble is, the trans umbrella is now so wide and disparate that the groups it covers have very little in common with each other.

well if he does there is PLENTY of material, all very well documented

Any tax payer funded body especially- but also any other charity or business- that has spent good money on being given made up legal advice, or ‘training’ that includes this should be seeking redress too.

Wholly agree. And at this point, the kids, and the ones 'quietly trying to live their lives' are really not helped in any way by the rent a mob pissing everywhere and threatening to rape and kill everyone.

Perhaps they can re-purpose as a T group, leave LGBA to deal with the LGB issues and DSD Families to deal with the I issues and the police to deal with the horrors that keep sneaking in under +.

Not much to add to the great posts on here.

But as I said in the OP

If LGB people can set up their own Alliance, why cant trans people do the same?

I meant of course LGB Alliance, where people who had been part of Stonewall not only said you aren't representing same sex attracted people and left, but went on to set up one that did.

And this is what I dont understand. There must be many (some?) people who identify as trans, whether under the medical diagnosis of gender disphoria, or as (in a sense) rebelling against gender stereotypes, straight jackets.

And some older people who have transed have spoken about how alienated by Stonewall's behaviour.

So why cant they set up their own group.

Create an organisations that allows open discussion between what could be quite a wide ranging group.

But in allowing it to be wide ranging it could not only provide support for those who want to take the medical process have an honest discussion about what that really means, but also for those who feel alienated from gender stereotyping etc..

Just so long as they stick to supporting each other, and maybe writing about it. But NOT thinking their purpose is to impose on everyone else what is in the end the personal experience of individual people.

But the fact this doesn't happen begins to make it feel that the T isn't actually about being that, but a platform for TRAs to launch their anti woman obsession.

And if some think I am being hostile. I am not.

I am reflecting what I and many other women experienced.

I think it’s pretty unlikely Stonewall would rebrand as a trans charity under its current team anyway. CEO Simon Blake is a gay man with no gender pronouns that I’ve seen out there anyway. Stonewall would need to have a trans CEO etc to be a trans charity and I suspect that the whole thing was more about opportunistically finding new charity income streams for Stonewall. rather than protecting and promoting trans people’s interests.

Because if they’d really cared, for example Stonewall would never have accepted the untested experimentation on young kids that has been going on. Stonewall often talked about ‘trans’ kids. Stonewall never questioned that in general safeguarding suddenly completely melted away for the groups of kids who were called ‘trans’.

The problem is that the trans version was "TWAW. get over it." which is not remotely comparable to "some people are gay". The latter is demanding acceptance of a fact. The former demands capitulation to a lie. "some people are transsexual. get over it." is a very different message.

Since it was founded more than 35 years ago, the charity has become entwined in our country’s psyche, Parliament, schools, sporting and business sectors. But for how much longer?

Haha, too right it has. Like a particularly stubborn variety of Japanese knotweed.

Hopefully, not for too much longer.

Trans struggle to have a group on their own as they can’t define what they are, and attaching themselves to different groups gives them validation.

Can I self identify as trans and demand that I take over. If the trans people don’t like it they can re- educate themselves -isn’t that what they told rape victims?

Love the image of Stonewall as Japanese knotweed 😁

On the suggestion that a trans charity might be set up to replace Stonewall -
the TRAs obviously found it much more convenient to latch on to an existing organisation, existing analyses, existing slogans, even the existing rainbow flag, which they then twisted to their own requirements.
Ultimately, they hollowed out their host and it looks like it may not survive.

It will be interesting to see if a brand new trans organisation emerges, or if TRAs find some other host that has already done the hard work.

Ultimately, they hollowed out their host and it looks like it may not survive.

Entirely and absolutely this. Which begs the question. Why isn't the spent host furious over having been chewed up and spat out in such a way? Or did the vast bulk of the LGB abandon the whole mess to the TQ, but some stayed quiet on pain of being lambasted as a 'hate group' along with the LGBA?

They torpedoed their own organisation, and their own 'rights' (or incorrect perception of what those rights entailed). Talk about shitting on your own doorstep.

We were disposed of. Shut out, shouted out, told we were wrong and hateful and homophobic for wanting to be homosexual.

Some of those people who set up Stonewall went and set up the LGBA - which has been relentlessly targeted and smeared largely as a threat to the control of funding and narrative, homosexuals escaping control and having voices was seen as a threat.

It's been exceptionally ugly.

I don’t see why not. If there are 2 types of women (according to the TIM’s) then surely us cis women could simply identify as transwomen? That way we’d have the run of the place and generally rule the world.

The bloke who was the CEO at the rape crisis centre in Edinburgh told women to reframe their trauma. An absolute vile specimen of a human being.

This would be the sane approach.

However up until this point no such organisation has been able to escape political capture and control, much as women's groups and organisations were targeted, captured, controlled and either repurposed or destroyed. Anything useful tends to be commandeered as a resource to further the political agenda, without the faintest care or conscience for what happens to the organisation, it's members or its service users. For example the people parachuted in to jobs for example the head of women's rape crisis. And the heavy politicisation and control that destroyed the Tavistock.

The judgment is going to free the voices and meeting up of LGB people in ways that has been very sternly controlled in the last decade. It will be interesting to see if TQ groups are able to gain more independence too as the landscape settles. Some actual diversity of views and voices is badly needed.

The most prominent LGBT group and yet, if my child was any one of the LGBT I would be doing everything in my power to steer her away from them. They've lost all credibility as far as I'm concerned.

Strange that the Supreme Court is getting criticism for not hearing from any trans people but this massive behemoth didn't even bother applying to intervene on behalf of the people it betrayed rational people for.

They could have campaigned for the rights of gay people in other countries

Abortion Support Network did exactly this when Ireland repealed the Eighth, and consequently still get my direct debit despite Mara's appalling comments on social media about "TERFs".

ensured the safety of gay people going abroad

A Stonewall travel guide, letting the would-be holidaymaker or expatriate know both the law and the culture of every country in the world and letting you filter countries by what civil rights they recognise (e.g. will our adopted children be recognised as ours? will our British marriage be recognised?) would have been really useful to LGB Brits.

DC is in a heterosexual relationship for now and seems happy. (I wouldn't care if DC was Gay or Bi either, but the trans ideology scares me - it causes so much damage).

In the UK, it doesn't harm a person to be unsure of their sexuality as long as they use condoms for penetrative sex. It harms them greatly to be unsure whether they are trans if they end up on lupron or cross-sex hormones.