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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Judith Butler" response to the Supreme Court ruling

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IwantToRetire · 23/04/2025 19:06

The decision by the UK Supreme Court to instantiate “sex” as exclusively and incontrovertibly biological operates within a juridical framework that presumes the referent of biological materiality to be self-evident, anterior to discourse, and immune to the vicissitudes of interpretation. Yet we must ask: what counts as biological, and who decides what the contours of the biological are? To posit sex as a fixed, immutable foundation upon which legal and social recognition must be grounded is not to name a pre-discursive truth, but to participate in the very operation of power that produces sex as such — as intelligible, as coherent, as a site of regulation.

The law, in this instance, becomes the conduit through which a particular epistemology of the body — one tethered to dimorphic certainties — is not only reified but weaponized. In this process, “woman” becomes not a category that accommodates multiplicity, historical contingency, or social transformation, but a term constrained by the phantasm of biological essentialism. That which fails to conform to the imagined stasis of the sexed body is rendered unintelligible within the juridical order, exiled from recognition, and refused the political and ethical entitlements that follow from legibility.

This ruling does not merely reflect a misunderstanding of gender as performative, but rather a strategic foreclosure on the performative possibilities of gender — that is, the capacity of bodies to signify in excess of the norms that seek to constrain them. It reflects a desire, deeply embedded in state power, to delimit the field of recognizability, to police the boundaries of the human, and to render precarious those lives that fail to materialize within the sanctioned lexicon of sexed being.

To defend the category of “woman” as exclusively biological is to evacuate it of its political history, to erase the struggles of those whose claims to womanhood exceed the bio-ontological. It is, in effect, to capitulate to a form of ontological authoritarianism, wherein the state dictates not only what a body is, but what it must be, in order to count.

Would you like this adapted into an essay format or situated alongside other theorists like Foucault, Spivak, or Preciado?

Thanks. I will accept the short version. An essay may make my head hurt.

Yes I know its not really funny but feeling a bit underwhelmed at the prospect of still having to continue to have to argue for women's sex based rights. So talking to chatgpt is a bit of escapism.

And makes about as much sense as listening to MPs who side step and evade what they have done and whether they are going to fully implement the Court ruling.

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HelenaWaiting · 23/04/2025 19:17

This is what my dissertation tutor used to describe as "academarianism" - high-faluting language that sounds superficially impressive presenting a simplistic, shallow, one-dimensional argument.

Shortshriftandlethal · 23/04/2025 19:34

This is a spoof, right?

Annoyedone · 23/04/2025 19:35

I really think AI needs a lot more training if that’s the gibberish it’s producing.

2024onwardsandup · 23/04/2025 19:36

Please please PLEASE someone send this idiot on a Plain English course for the love of god

IwantToRetire · 23/04/2025 19:38

Annoyedone · 23/04/2025 19:35

I really think AI needs a lot more training if that’s the gibberish it’s producing.

I think it perfect encapsulets the way JB writes.

If you think she would have said something different, based on her politics why dont you write a response that you think is more representative of how she writes, talks?

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moto748e · 23/04/2025 19:39

Annoyedone · 23/04/2025 19:35

I really think AI needs a lot more training if that’s the gibberish it’s producing.

The way I look at it is, it's easy to point and laugh right now when the results are sometimes so crass. The time to worry is in the near future, when they've fixed that up and you won't be able to tell.

I'm afraid I see AI as a tool almost entirely for bad. And I resent being gaslit about it!

Reallybadidea · 23/04/2025 19:39

I asked chatgpt to summarise that for me:

"Court: “Sex is real.” Academia: screams in postmodern."

IwantToRetire · 23/04/2025 19:39

2024onwardsandup · 23/04/2025 19:36

Please please PLEASE someone send this idiot on a Plain English course for the love of god

Have you ever read Judith Butler.

If you have then you would be begging for her to be sent on a plain english course.

That is the whole point.

Although on the other hand if there are that many on FWR who aren't aware of JB's writing maybe that is a positive.

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IwantToRetire · 23/04/2025 19:43

For those who seem to have had a humour by pass this is an example of actual JB https://www.cla.purdue.edu/academic/english/theory/genderandsex/modules/butlergendersex.html

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Annoyedone · 23/04/2025 19:48

@IwantToRetire sorry I was thinking that was actually Judith Butler commenting. I’ve now realised that was way too coherent and understandable for Butler. My bad

JustSpeculation · 23/04/2025 19:59

Annoyedone · 23/04/2025 19:48

@IwantToRetire sorry I was thinking that was actually Judith Butler commenting. I’ve now realised that was way too coherent and understandable for Butler. My bad

I had the same reaction. I only realised it was AI in the third paragraph. There is something repetitive in the style, in the endless list of unsupported assertions, and Butler doesn't do this (she covers it up by making it incomprehensible to mortals).

SerafinasGoose · 23/04/2025 20:04

Parklife!

Igneococcus · 23/04/2025 20:15

Yet we must ask: what counts as biological, and who decides what the contours of the biological are?
I think the joint forces of MN biologists (with and without degrees) would be perfectly up to the job.

ArtificialFlower · 23/04/2025 20:27

Nah, it’s far too clear and comprehensible to be convincing as Butler

TheOtherRaven · 23/04/2025 20:27

Word salad without nearly enough dressing.

2024onwardsandup · 23/04/2025 20:27

IwantToRetire · 23/04/2025 19:39

Have you ever read Judith Butler.

If you have then you would be begging for her to be sent on a plain english course.

That is the whole point.

Although on the other hand if there are that many on FWR who aren't aware of JB's writing maybe that is a positive.

Oh I thought it was actual Judith Butler 😂😂😂

but yeah was also a bit suprised I could understand it 😁

AuntieAgnesPoodle · 23/04/2025 20:33

I read "Judith Butler" at the beginning, then I read a description of her actual work kindly supplied by you, then I had a quick glance at the beginning paragraphs again, and suddenly they seemed so straightforward!

What sense I can actually make of it leads me to believe that I wouldn't necessarily enjoy a conversation with her (nor her with me). I don't think we have a single point of agreement.

I'm completely with you @IwantToRetire when it comes to the underwhelming sensation of having to battle on and on on, arguing for women's sex based rights indefinitely, while politicians waffle and faff, TRAs shout and moan, and my performatively sexed body just wants to have a bit of a rest.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/04/2025 20:35

Fuck off, Judith.

You're not from the UK, you don't live in the UK, and you believe you're not a woman, so this literally does not affect you in any way.

Perhaps if women in the US had a few more rights you would want to be one.

AuntieAgnesPoodle · 23/04/2025 20:35

TheOtherRaven · 23/04/2025 20:27

Word salad without nearly enough dressing.

Do you mean too much dressing? The salad seems to be drowning in its own incomprehensible verbiage - although that only applies to the actual work by Judith Butler, not the AI parody!

334bu · 23/04/2025 20:41

What a load of mince!!!!

MrsKeats · 23/04/2025 21:07

Try putting ‘buttering toast in the manner of Judith Butler’ into Chatgtp

DogeCon · 23/04/2025 21:12

to capitulate to a form of ontological authoritarianism
In plain English - to use a dictionary

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 23/04/2025 21:13

Park life!!

MassiveWordSalad · 23/04/2025 21:58

I owe my username to Judith 😁

SnoopyPajamas · 23/04/2025 22:47

In short: bliberty blobberty bingely boop