Hampstead Heath Ladies Pond - considering the SC judgement

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Apparently the CoLC is considering its position

https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/25109343.equality-ruling-affect-hampstead-heath-swimming-pond/

I think given the historic names and histories - Kenwood Ladies' Pond, Hampstead Mixed Pond and Highgate Men's Pond - they'd struggle to sell the idea of three mixed ponds.

@Merrymouse why do you keep talking about gender identity
its nothing to do with the issue

female is a sex characteristic - clause 11 of EA2010

I think you have misunderstood - anyone of any sex can use the masculine or feminine pool. There is no sex discrimination. Admission is only restricted according to gender identity which is not sex specific.

Do many transmen used the men's pond?

Then they’re mixed sex, open to anyone who wants to come in and nobody gives a shiny shite about your “gender”.
I’m honestly baffled at why you think otherwise.

I don’t understand what you aren’t understanding.

Sex discrimination - only legal in some situations. If the corporation have male sex and female sex ponds this is only legal if complies with the criteria in the EA.

Gender identity discrimination - not covered by EA 2010, therefore legal in all situations - unless you can prove indirect discrimination on the basis of a protected characteristic.

How do you think you can prevent someone going into a mixed sex facility because they refuse to believe in gender identity?

There does appear to be a discrepancy in how they manage the men’s pond vs the ladies pond. Even when they might have claimed it was an identity thing, they didn’t treat them the same.

If men (supposedly with a claim of feeling like a woman) are allowed in the ladies pond, why were the man Friday women chucked out of the men’s pond.

Surely there was already a court case right there for difference in application of men’s vs ladies.

The SC judgement makes that unlawful.

You cannot say this is open to those born female and those who identify as female. Because in law those males who identify as female are male in all circumstances with no exceptions.

Those females who identify as male are female in law in all circumstances.

Even a Gender Recognition Certificate doesn’t change your biological sex in law.

Service providers where they provide men or women only services have to provide them based on biological sex.

So regarding the ponds, it’s male, female, and mixed sex or all three have to be mixed sex. Simple!

The Corporation care about gender identity and that is their preferred way to decide who uses which pond.

The ruling makes this irrelevant 🤷🏻‍♀️

😂😂😂 have you completely missed the Supreme Court Judgement?

This is illegal. Categorically and completely with zero grey area.

They will be taken to court if they do this and they will lose.

In law you are male or female regarding sex discrimination and a GRC does not change your biological sex in law.

Why are the men so bothered about having a single sex pool?

Given the relatively much lower participation in sports of women and girls relative to men and boys in sports general as a social determinant of health it would be incredibly sexist if they didn’t preserve and uphold women only swimming.
And if fact to redress this imbalance, if there’s three then let’s make it one mixed and two women’s pools.

What is unlawful about having a club for people whose gender identity is masculine?

gender identity is not sex.

sex

I am very sure that gender identity is not a protected characteristic.

Exactly. Gender identity is not sex, so you can’t exclude on the basis of GI.
It’s literally irrelevant.

You’re hilarious and I think being wilfully ignorant.

This is regarding Hampstead Heath ponds and the law is crystal clear for them and I would expect they have good legal advisors who will advise them so they can comply with the law and not be open to an expensive lawsuit.

Nothing illegal about having a club for women who identify as male. Knock yourself out and create one.

But I think that's where they'll go, they'll say 2 single gender, 1 mixed gender, and not mention single sex at all, so they can bypass the law. So in reality 2 mixed, and one biological men as they will not stand for the transmen in their pool and there's no law that says they have to.

The CoLC who manage the ponds issued a statement that transwomen and transmen would be welcome to use the ponds according to their opposite sex identity claims.

When the man Friday women were in the men’s pond, the men said they shouldn’t be there. The man Friday women said they were as they identified as men. The men said they were showing boobs and that they (the men) couldn’t get their ccks out in the ladies. The man Friday ladies corrected them, and said men who entered the ladies pond could get changed there, (with ccks and all out, I presume).

The police were called and arrived and said the women were breaking a few bye laws. One of these bye laws was being in the opposite sex area. I bet these police would never have told a bloke to remove himself from the ladies pond. Then policesaid a ‘possible breach of the peace’. A catch all in order to remove the women from the men’s pond. Yet the blokes continued (still maybe?) to bring their c*cks into the ladies.

One of these man Friday women wrote a little blog about it.

https://lilymaynard.com/yes-but-today-is-monday-swimming-in-the-mens-pond-on-hampstead-heath/

I think you are confused about PCs.

The general rule is that you can’t discriminate on the basis of sex/religion/age etc.

You can only discriminate if you meet certain criteria.

There are all sorts of other characteristics that aren’t protected, so it’s legal to exclude somebody from your club because they didn’t go to the right school/can’t sing/aren’t a true fan of Taylor Swift.

Gender Identity is not a PC.

They can’t bypass the law without consequences.
Gender is irrelevant.

I would imagine there are at least two cohorts who want a single-sex men’s space - (1) the gay men who want a male-only space away from the women and (2) the male swimmers training for triathlons etc who don’t want the pesky wimmins bobbing around doing breaststroke and chatting while they’re trying to train.

To be fair, I’ve never been near the men’s pool there so it might not be like that at all. But I know many male swimmers at my indoor pool who would rather all the women fuck off out of “their” lanes during mixed sessions.

But sex is. So allowing some men who claim to have a female gender identity into a woman’s space, and excluding other men who don’t have a GI is excluding them on the basis of their sex.
The gender crap is irrelevant.
Let one man in (whatever he calls himself) and the whole thing becomes mixed sex and other men can’t be excluded.