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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Guardian thread on in pmqs open if your interested .......

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mids2019 · 23/04/2025 14:47

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/apr/23/pmqs-uk-politics-live-keir-starmer-kemi-badenoch-conservatives-labour-reform#comments

3000 so far with a strange mix of rants often basically saying 'well both parties are transgenic now', 'this is the new section 28 etc.'....put a comment my self supporting the supreme court ruling with no counter argument or deletion thoigh....

Badenoch declines to criticise Jenrick over Reform coalition comments – UK politics live

Spokesperson for Tory leader says she agrees with colleague that ‘we need to bring centre-right voters together’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/apr/23/pmqs-uk-politics-live-keir-starmer-kemi-badenoch-conservatives-labour-reform#comments

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Freda69 · 23/04/2025 17:04

I was just flicking through the Andrew Sparrow UK politics column in the Guardian which has a section discussing opinion polls on transgender rights. He says for most people this is ‘not a salient issue’. I just get so sick of this way of thinking - women are 51% of the population and this ‘issue’ can affect everyone of us. From prisons, to hospital wards, to refuges, even to bloody toilets, which I’m sure we’re all sick of hearing about, plus enforced pronouns and ‘birthing people’. Unfortunately the column is now closed for comments, so I can’t let off steam.

So few men ‘get it’ and I don’t understand why. They must have daughters, wives, mothers, sisters - do they have no imagination?

BuffysBigSister · 23/04/2025 18:10

I've re-activated my old Guardian log-on so that I drop a few comments in to the mix. All very respectful. There are some thoughtful commenters but it feels like they've only heard about the subject from the pages of the Guardian so......
Genuinely surprised how many people don't understand that single-sex spaces will mean single-sex going forward. They are in for a big surprise

transdimensional · 24/04/2025 07:04

Yes, there is still a lot of misunderstanding about what the SC judgment means. Some commenters at the Guardian seem to think it will be up to each individual service provider to decide whether trans women can enter women's spaces. Rory Stewart also seemed to say this at one point during his podcast with Alastair Campbell. I can understand the confusion to some extent, because the same claim was made by Jonathan Sumption, who should definitely know better.

There are some recurring themes. Also on the podcast, Campbell claimed that it would be difficult to police the rules. This seems to ignore the fact that there were already rules in place before last week (i.e. according to the Scottish govt, AIUI, you could only enter women's loos if you were either a woman or a man with a secret GRC) - even according to the most liberal interpretation, men who don't identify as women have never been supposed to use women's toilets, so rules about entry have always existed - but you wouldn't know it from the Guardian cartoon portraying a chromosome scanner at the entrance.

However... it's very good that the Guardian is now finally allowing BTL discussion about these issues. Previously it was almost unknown for comments to be open on an article that discussed these matters, and anyone who said anything sceptical of the TRA case used to have their comments deleted but I think this is happening less often now.

Ella Baron on repercussions of the UK supreme court’s gender ruling – cartoon

Ministers have come under pressure to provide answers on how last week’s ruling will affect daily life

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2025/apr/23/ella-baron-uk-supreme-court-gender-ruling-cartoon

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