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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I'm unfortunately in Stella Creasy's constituency

52 replies

Circumferences · 22/04/2025 18:19

Stella Creasy has just sent a very lengthy email to all her constituents regarding the Supreme Court ruling.

It's absurd.

She firstly bemoans how more questions are raised than are answered (I'm sorry, no Stella, the big question "what is a woman" is now answered.... finally).

She then in her second paragraph addresses how transwomen are now more frightened of getting abused because of the ruling.... (Perfectly upholding the hyperbolic rhetoric of trans activism)

She then has the gall to say "single sex spaces have always been possible to arrange" while she and her TRA buddies were instrumental in dismantling single sex spaces and making them impossible to arrange! (Grr)

She then admits that basically what's the point of a GRC when it doesn't make a difference in real life (she's crying real tears at this point) but at least she's telling the truth at this point.

She then bemoans the "toxic nation of debate around sex/gender" as if her TRA buddies are victims in all of this!

No recognition whatsoever to the bravery and strength of the women of Scotland who brought this case to court. No recognition whatsoever to the abuse and sometimes actual violence inflicted on women by her TRA pals. No recognition towards what a brilliant result this was for women and girls across the world.

Stella Creasy, you never had my respect but now there's no chance.

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Timefortulips · 22/04/2025 18:22

It's bonkers that she's emailed this to all her constituents! Does she do this for all political events, or only this one? How weirdly partisan. Fine for her to have her views, but weird to broadcast them to all her constituents in this way.

Circumferences · 22/04/2025 18:38

She supposedly "had a lot of emails from frightened trans people" and wanted to reassure them !!!

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2024onwardsandup · 22/04/2025 18:39

did she mention trans men at all?

Timefortulips · 22/04/2025 18:39

Jeez, why not just email them?! I'm sure her constituency must have some kind of LGBTQ outfit she could put out a communication to. Or, you know, social media.

Circumferences · 22/04/2025 18:40

I'm concerned about Isreal's conduct right now and how it's affecting the Muslim population.

Not a peep.

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Circumferences · 22/04/2025 18:42

2024onwardsandup · 22/04/2025 18:39

did she mention trans men at all?

She says "trans people" throughout.

It's literally 10 paragraphs long. It's an eye watering read.

I'm happy to screenshot it if appropriate??

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PatsFruitCake · 22/04/2025 18:44

Circumferences · 22/04/2025 18:38

She supposedly "had a lot of emails from frightened trans people" and wanted to reassure them !!!

Maybe she needs a few emails from delighted women to even things out...

PatsFruitCake · 22/04/2025 18:45

She's not really reading the room is she?

pizzaHeart · 22/04/2025 18:51

Well she was really busy this Sunday!
How did she get email addresses? Is it even allowed?

UptonFunk · 22/04/2025 18:59

Also one of her constituents and not happy. I emailed on trans issues and never got a reply until this general email today. Saw this image from 2022 - no words really…. Maybe disappointing is bad enough…

I'm unfortunately in Stella Creasy's constituency
UptonFunk · 22/04/2025 19:03

Timefortulips · 22/04/2025 18:22

It's bonkers that she's emailed this to all her constituents! Does she do this for all political events, or only this one? How weirdly partisan. Fine for her to have her views, but weird to broadcast them to all her constituents in this way.

Only to constituents who have written on gender issues. Seems like she’s one catch all email to both GI and GC so scrambling for the middle ground…

UptonFunk · 22/04/2025 19:04

Timefortulips · 22/04/2025 18:39

Jeez, why not just email them?! I'm sure her constituency must have some kind of LGBTQ outfit she could put out a communication to. Or, you know, social media.

The email is a similar type to other “group” mailings so it’s not unusual for her

UptonFunk · 22/04/2025 19:05

And another one

I'm unfortunately in Stella Creasy's constituency
UptonFunk · 22/04/2025 19:07

Here it is in full:

I’m writing to you as someone who has been in touch with my office about the status of trans people in the UK – whether you have been in touch recently about the recent Supreme Court ruling, to express your concerns about single sex spaces or simply to ask for more information about my work on this issue.

I want to acknowledge the toxicity in the public debate around trans rights – and recognise that many in public life have sought to exploit that. I have always rejected the polarisation that comes from those who use women’s bodies as their battlefield for a ‘culture war’ – whether in my work to promote abortion rights, to tackle discrimination against mothers or to support reform of gender recognition processes. I do not see these as conflicting, but complementary objectives. I know that not all residents will agree with this, and so want to be open with where I stand.

Specifically, last weeks’ Supreme Court ruling regarding the Equality Act raises more questions than it answers about how best to balance the rights of those who are transgender to access services with those who are not. Specifically it sets out that the concept of sex in the Act is based on biological sex- it also sets out that transgender people should retain protection against discrimination. In doing so, the ruling clarifies how the courts should read the 2010 Equality Act- and consequently raise serious questions about the viability of the 2004 Gender Recognition Act (GRA). This is because the GRA states that those who have a gender recognition certificate (GRC) ‘become’ the sex of that certificate, ‘subject to the provision’ made by the Act or any subsequent Act which includes the Equality Act.

There will no doubt be substantial further legal debate over the impact of this ruling- having read the ruling in full I want to let you know the questions that I have. These are the issues I will be seeking to raise because I believe that politics must not absent itself from these issues. Firstly, it is now not clear what rights securing a GRC offers if the sex on the certificate someone who ‘becomes’ this is defined by biology. In making their ruling the judges highlighted it is not legal to ask someone to present a GRC when accessing services. They also stated no one who is transgender should be treated differently whether they have one or not. Given this, we need urgent clarity as to what impact ‘becoming’ someone of a different gender now has. Indeed, those who brought the original case argued that those who were biologically male could become women under the GRA legislation as it did not require any form of surgery to be performed- and that it was now a redundant Act. Whilst the judges rejected this argument, it is not clear how and when a GRC now influences service provision, if at all.

Secondly, it is not clear how this ruling will be interpreted on a case by case basis as the court requires. Single sex spaces have always been possible to arrange and protected– the Equality Act has always enabled the exclusion of someone of a different biological sex on a proportionate basis. This was and is the case for both women’s refuges and women’s sport. The ruling now means it is important to confirm what ‘proportionate’ means and how this will be interpreted and if it will be expanded. There has been much speculation on public toilets, all women shortlists, female representation on public and private bodies, changing rooms and more- this change could affect these matters and the guidance issued to those responsible for them.

In the aftermath of this ruling, I spoke out about this impact and the need not just for lawyers but politicians to do better in resolving these tensions. You can find my statement here:

From your correspondence I’m very aware of many transgender residents of Walthamstow who are fearful that they may face more hostility and discrimination as a result of recent developments – and also of residents who want to be able to discuss the value of single sex spaces and how to provide them but are concerned this will lead to abuse. I will always uphold the right of transpeople to identify themselves as such without being asked to justify this status, and I continue to recognise – as I always have - biological sex as a source of direct discrimination.

The complexity of biological sex and assigned gender are not theoretical discourses or social media clickbait. They are lived experiences for many who now fear the political manipulation of this ruling, and the erosion of hard fought for progress on women’s equality. Already the abuse and poisonous nature of discussion of this ruling by both parliamentarians, campaigners and the press has made it almost impossible to navigate what happens next- that is in no one’s interest. I have a track record of speaking out in support of those who disagree with me on a range of concerns to be heard without fear but with accountability- I will continue to do that.
As and when there are updates on this matter I will share them with you – and especially if and when there are opportunities for public engagement either via parliament or directly through Government. Please also feel free to share this with any other local resident you know is interested in this matter.

Thank you once again for writing to me – whether you agree with my approach or not, I value the candour and concern that residents have shown on this issue.

Stella

Stella Creasy MP (@stellacreasy.bsky.social)

Statement about todays ruling below:

https://bsky.app/profile/stellacreasy.bsky.social/post/3lmxicgvybc26

gavinandstaceychristmasspecial · 22/04/2025 19:10

Happy to swap MPs with you. At least yours emails you and acknowledges her constituents exist, even if you profoundly disagree with her. Presumably others agree. Mine doesn’t even show up when there’s an election.

Floisme · 22/04/2025 19:17

I have a low opinion of Stella Creasy but actually I think there's a fair point somewhere in that email about the GRC. I'd like to hear the government explain what it's for and whether they're still committed to making them easier to obtain.

UptonFunk · 22/04/2025 19:19

Floisme · 22/04/2025 19:17

I have a low opinion of Stella Creasy but actually I think there's a fair point somewhere in that email about the GRC. I'd like to hear the government explain what it's for and whether they're still committed to making them easier to obtain.

I saw that - others have said it’s useless. I thought it was needed if you wanted to change a birth certificate and marry/die in your desired gender. Still does all those things

LeftieRightsHoarder · 22/04/2025 19:28

This is very sad. Stella Creasy used to be a very active local councillor and then a superb constituency MP: effective, hard-working, concerned and knowledgeable about local issues. Now I can hardly recognise her.

Walthamstow has a large Muslim population -- I can't imagine any of them pleading for men to be allowed into women's single-sex spaces! The middle-class young couples with their huge prams who have moved into Walthamstow during the past 15 years are not that much more likely to want their children taught that they may have been born in the wrong body. And the original working-class population has many better things to worry about than misgendering.

Having seen how dedicated to local people she was when she started out, I don't understand how she became so tone-deaf.

SameyMcNameChange · 22/04/2025 19:34

That reads as if she wants to have her cake and eat it - she has acknowledged points on both sides but she hasn’t said what her solutions are. Which is fairly fundamental. Either you have a single sex space or you don’t. If she wants single sex spaces and unisex, she should say that. These are hard decisions and you can’t simultaneously have, for example, all female shortlists that are only for females and yet allow transwomen on them.. Labour have tried this tactic for too long. They say ‘yes yes single sex’ and then ‘but of course transwomen are women so single sec includes them’.

NextRinny · 22/04/2025 19:36

I've never seen so much said about a supreme court ruling... especially by politicians. maybe my memory isn't going back far enough?

Please can someone remind her it would be great to just talk about women in isolation?
The same way transgender males can exist as a group without women. Women can be spoken about as a group without any male involved (trans people would still be part of it since some are transgender females)...

Poytu · 22/04/2025 19:37

UptonFunk · 22/04/2025 19:19

I saw that - others have said it’s useless. I thought it was needed if you wanted to change a birth certificate and marry/die in your desired gender. Still does all those things

Yes exactly the SC judgment is pretty clear that the purpose of a GRC was always meant to be pretty limited - a private document to enable some administrative changes. Activists inflated its importance and claimed erroneously it was passport into all women’s spaces.

StMarie4me · 22/04/2025 19:47

How does your MP have your email address?!

Helpmeplease2025 · 22/04/2025 20:07

She is one of the very worst.

LeftieRightsHoarder · 22/04/2025 20:09

the Equality Act has always enabled the exclusion of someone of a different biological sex on a proportionate basis. That's dishonest. Yes it's true in theory, but in reality that has been widely ignored and difficult to achieve.

And that's even for serious matters like keeping men from exposing themselves and intimidating women and children in changing rooms. God forbid women should just want to meet others in an all-women group. Not a chance, if a man or a transactivist finds out.

UptonFunk · 22/04/2025 20:17

StMarie4me · 22/04/2025 19:47

How does your MP have your email address?!

This email was sent to those who had previously emailed/written on this issue. So this is an update/reply