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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Should I respond to his ridiculous take - Transmen to make a "nuisance" in toilets

64 replies

ICantDoItAll · 22/04/2025 15:15

This post appeared on my feed earlier. I usually appreciate this person’s commentary as he tends to articulate things in the news very clearly, but this one really grated. I’ve considered replying, though I’m unsure if doing so might attract backlash—I don’t know how widely my comments would be seen. But surely I’m not the only one who finds this take absurd? For one thing, trans men have been notably quiet about the Supreme Court ruling. More importantly, the implication seems to be: trans men—who have generally just wanted to live their lives without fanfare—should now perform masculinity to such an extent that it makes women feel threatened?

A call to 'arms' to all trans men.
In light of the recent UK supreme court decision confirming that use of single sex spaces are to be determined by sex at birth or biological sex, I urge every masculine looking trans man in the UK to nuisance protest by using the ladies toilets as often as you can. If you have a beard and muscles, even better. Keep proof of your sex at birth with you for when you are challenged, to show that your birth sex is female. Do it in toilets and in changing rooms all over the UK. When you do so be loud and attract as much attention as possible, and try to use them at the busiest times you can. You go and demand your space and entitlement in any female only space you can find. Do it in gyms, meditation classes, yoga classes, doctors offices and hospitals, anywhere and everywhere. The more sensitive the space, the better. Be loud and be proud. If they try to refuse you or shut you out, make a scene and cite the judgment. The only way to show them the absurdity of this ruling is to be absurd. Nuisance protest. And when you do, let them know politely, that unlike trans women, you are sexually attracted to women.
You owe this to your trans sisters. This affects you as much as it does them.

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myplace · 22/04/2025 15:22

Telling women what to do again. Surprise surprise.
Telling women to do something that benefits them not one iota, indeed causes them trouble. Surprise surprise.

TheaBrandt1 · 22/04/2025 15:23

Absolutely pathetic. Embarrassing.

Gettingbysomehow · 22/04/2025 15:25

I'll just be totally ignoring them. They'll get bored of being ignored eventually like children. If they approach me with the I fancy women thing I'll be saying great I'm 63 I can't afford to be choosy. When are you free 😂

CocoPlum · 22/04/2025 15:26

"Unlike trans women, you are sexually attracted to women"

Er ... that's a sentence suggesting that transwomen are gay men who only transition to be seen as straight, surely??

NCForThatForumM · 22/04/2025 15:27

As a man I'm totally happy to share loos with Trans men, I can't imagine anyone would complain. In busy clubs women often come in and nobody has ever complained.

So whatever the law nobody is gonna call the police about trans men in the gents.

I suspect Trans women in women only spaces won't be so welcome for pretty good reasons.

Hoppinggreen · 22/04/2025 15:31

Gosh, TM have suddenly become SO important haven't they?
TRA didn't much care for them before but now they are useful women to be used as a resource for men they feature heavily

ICantDoItAll · 22/04/2025 15:32

CocoPlum · 22/04/2025 15:26

"Unlike trans women, you are sexually attracted to women"

Er ... that's a sentence suggesting that transwomen are gay men who only transition to be seen as straight, surely??

Yeah, I am not sure what that is about. I scrolled back and he's got a few posts about trans issues. It looks like he thinks transwomen are all very attractive, pass easily etc. So I assume he thinks they're also all only attracted to men and hasn't seen any of the abuse lesbians have taken from trans activists.

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Datun · 22/04/2025 15:32

According to the ruling, transmen who pass seamlessly and might worry womenshould not be using the ladies anyway.

They realise this leaves them in a double bind and they want service providers to come up with a solution.

This isn't a game.

The equality act is designed to provide equality. And the Supreme Court know that. It's not designed as a big, fat competition to see who can fuck off who the most.

Thelnebriati · 22/04/2025 15:34

So this is a man demanding masculine looking women sexually harass women in public toilets, for The Cause?
Great look. So radical. 🙄

EmeraldRoulette · 22/04/2025 15:36

Thelnebriati · 22/04/2025 15:34

So this is a man demanding masculine looking women sexually harass women in public toilets, for The Cause?
Great look. So radical. 🙄

wrong thread ☹️ apols

ICantDoItAll · 22/04/2025 15:36

Thelnebriati · 22/04/2025 15:34

So this is a man demanding masculine looking women sexually harass women in public toilets, for The Cause?
Great look. So radical. 🙄

I know. It's a bit odd. I think he's an ex colleague of DH's. I don't know if I want to post because I don't know if there are mutual friends on that side. I do notice that most of his posts don't get a lot of comments.

So perhaps I just block his content instead. It's not like it's life changing, but it makes a change from my local group whining about kids in parks! Grin

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Worriedandsuspicious · 22/04/2025 15:37

Transmen suddenly getting attention

StressedLP1 · 22/04/2025 15:37

I don’t know know why he thinks this is such a “gotcha”. I have an issue with transwomen in women’s toilets not because they are trans, but because they are male. I have no issue whatsoever with trans men in women’s toilets.

Thelnebriati · 22/04/2025 15:38

EmeraldRoulette · 22/04/2025 15:36

wrong thread ☹️ apols

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''And when you do, let them know politely, that unlike trans women, you are sexually attracted to women.''

NeverDropYourMooncup · 22/04/2025 15:38

Not seeing the problem, really. They're female, they've got a right to be in female spaces.

I don't think they owe TW anything, though. Why would it be their job to waste their time being disruptive because the males feel sad/angry?

AcquadiP · 22/04/2025 15:39

Dear God, these people are pathetic.

Gettingbysomehow · 22/04/2025 15:40

I was on tiktok earlier and asked why suffragette statues were defaced. One of them said, "because they were the ultimate rascists". I've heard it all now.

LonginesPrime · 22/04/2025 15:41

You could quote para 221 of the SC ruling:

Moreover, women living in the male gender could also be excluded under paragraph 28 without this
amounting to gender reassignment discrimination. This might be considered proportionate where reasonable objection is taken to their presence, for example, because the gender reassignment process has given them a masculine appearance or attributes to which reasonable objection might be taken in the context of the women-only service being provided.

BiologicalRobot · 22/04/2025 15:41

So a man is demanding his support humans (ie women) to do his dirty work of harassing and bullying females? Including young girls?

Wow. Just another cesspit man shouting out how much he hates women. Bravo.

JazzyBBBG · 22/04/2025 15:42

Got to wonder why he cares so much? Same as all these women defending trans women. If it's not your lifestyle choice why care?

OestreBunny · 22/04/2025 15:43

You owe this to your trans sisters.

Why, what have they ever done for trans men?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 22/04/2025 15:45

ICantDoItAll · 22/04/2025 15:15

This post appeared on my feed earlier. I usually appreciate this person’s commentary as he tends to articulate things in the news very clearly, but this one really grated. I’ve considered replying, though I’m unsure if doing so might attract backlash—I don’t know how widely my comments would be seen. But surely I’m not the only one who finds this take absurd? For one thing, trans men have been notably quiet about the Supreme Court ruling. More importantly, the implication seems to be: trans men—who have generally just wanted to live their lives without fanfare—should now perform masculinity to such an extent that it makes women feel threatened?

A call to 'arms' to all trans men.
In light of the recent UK supreme court decision confirming that use of single sex spaces are to be determined by sex at birth or biological sex, I urge every masculine looking trans man in the UK to nuisance protest by using the ladies toilets as often as you can. If you have a beard and muscles, even better. Keep proof of your sex at birth with you for when you are challenged, to show that your birth sex is female. Do it in toilets and in changing rooms all over the UK. When you do so be loud and attract as much attention as possible, and try to use them at the busiest times you can. You go and demand your space and entitlement in any female only space you can find. Do it in gyms, meditation classes, yoga classes, doctors offices and hospitals, anywhere and everywhere. The more sensitive the space, the better. Be loud and be proud. If they try to refuse you or shut you out, make a scene and cite the judgment. The only way to show them the absurdity of this ruling is to be absurd. Nuisance protest. And when you do, let them know politely, that unlike trans women, you are sexually attracted to women.
You owe this to your trans sisters. This affects you as much as it does them.

The rank misogyny of this is appalling, women are just sub human to these people aren’t they?

Thelnebriati · 22/04/2025 15:45

Women as support humans, again. If you want to respond, ask him if this is an example of how Man built civilisation because Woman is becoming increasingly dubious of the claim.

LonginesPrime · 22/04/2025 15:48

Honestly though, I would just let them get on with it.

Just like the transwomen at the weekend pissing on Parliament Square and threatening violence against women in an attempt to convince women to welcome them into their spaces, all that intimidating women will do is to convince organisations that trans people need separate third spaces to avoid disruption.

WinterFoxes · 22/04/2025 15:49

Bizarre assumption that transmen are attracted to women. I know three transmen. All of them are in relationships with men. And as we know ow, the transwomen who cause issues are attracted to dominating and bullying, threatening, controlling and coercing women, whatever their sexual orientation.

Not a rational call to arms by any standard.