SC Judgment, Schools, Social Transition and the Cass Review

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Help me work through this hypothesis, thoughts and opinions welcome.

If schools are now required to have single sex toilets, changing rooms and sports, and exclude males, males will continue to be in the boy’s toilets, male changing rooms and boys’ sports. This means there will be no open or “stealth” social transition, boys will have to accept the sex they are and carry on living like that, and hopefully will then see less need to seek out hormonal treatments.

I’ve seen a lot of the concept of children needing puberty blockers or CSH before they’re “found out”. But there won’t be any finding out because they won’t be able to social transition in the sense of services used, so everyone will already know what sex they are.

Please help me work through this thought process, flaws in this, what about girls, age application of EA, etc. Thanks!

I'm sure children already knows which sex their classmates are I doubt you will get 'gender neutral' either because without the SC judgement, the Cass report was specific, transition is not a neutral act. I'm sure they'll work their way through in a way that both protects young people and ensures this protection is based on the reality of 2 sexes.

At DS school there are 3 toilets, Male, Female and Gender Neutral. The trans students are supposed to use the GN , but I don't know if they do. No other students, male or female, want to use the GN toilets.

It will be interesting what schools do because I know there such a mish-mash of provision now.

I think there’s going to be a lot of debating on what constitutes a cubicle or a toilet room.

I hope what will happen is that toilets become safer for everyone but particularly all the medically vulnerable children where enclosed toilets can be dangerous. Single sex toilets with door gaps are safest and should be the default.

Cass report switched schools over to "protections" for girls. Before that, social transitioning was gathering momentum. we had an accessible toilet - I don't know about changing facilities. All students who were transitioning were going girl->boy. We had one male TA who was going by "they/them/she/her" via email signature, and was Mx - the children were unquestioning on calling him "Mix". SIMS before it was discontinued, still listed the transitioning children as their original sex.

Then CASS last year and the momentum ground to a halt, mainly I believe because before anything (even the kids, sadly,) Academy Trust cares about reputation.

You could alwats do a FOI inquiry to your childrens' school(s).

new school buildings (as in, the last decade) have often been built with more fully contained unisex loos.

What has been concerning me, given what I’ve learned from the worst of the worst schools, is that the ruling did still acknowledge that trans identified ppl exist and are protected from harassment and discrimination.

I expect third spaces will be encouraged but I also expect that the most pro trans schools will still treat these children differently, effectively still affirming them via third spaces and special treatment.

until the gov really get their fingers out with the gender questioning guidance and firm up KCSiE aspect of all this (which it seems many schools and their lawyers assume will be reversed soon) parents will still have to be eagle eyed and challenge.

for example, a school I know of altered its policy slightly around toilets last year but still allows children to access the growing up sessions (puberty lessons) of the “gender they identify with.” Another thread here describes a school that is mixed sex but teaches children in single sex classes - unless they identify otherwise.

there will be a lot of sleight of hand affirmation going on for a while until more decisive and boundaries guidelines are given.

the other issue is that a lot of schools spent a lot of money on converting toilets into dodgy mixed sex versions that do not fit the HSE guidelines. <eyes a local school>

The numbers of extremely activist teachers in the profession, and other professionals who work around schools such as SS, CAHMS, etc, very much concerns me.

We’ve seen extreme vitriol and backlash already.

We’ve not yet seen the hidden shit. DfE are captured. A great deal of the curriculum and guidance is wooly.

And Cass wasn’t great. It’s better but also many loopholes and wooliness.