Spaces for "gender reassignment" category

[HeadAboveHeadBelow]

I'm trying to figure out how the law works. I get that the equality act states in law that services etc mustn't discriminate against people on the basis of the 9 protected characteristics. That includes sex which is now clarified as being bio sex. And "gender reassignment " which in practice means self identified transgender. It can relate to provision of various things including loos, changing etc. If single sex changing wasn't provided for eg, this could constitute discrimination- so far, so good.
But couldn't it be argued that if only m and f changing were provided, then trans people are indirectly discriminated against under the equality act, because it would be unreasonable to expect them to use the facility for their sex?

They’re either male or female so they’re not being discriminated against.

They have protections not to be harassed so could bring claims if any idiots do so.

Yes, they could argue that, and that it’s a breach of privacy and undermines their dignity to be forced to change in the same space as non-trans males.

Of course, this hasn’t been tested in the courts yet, because so far trans people have largely been accommodated on the basis that gender identity = sex, so while we don’t know which way a ruling would go, I suspect that third spaces will be the way forward to avoid discrimination claims.

I think there will be an expansion of third spaces, which is fine. I just hope they’re not disabled facilities repurposed.

Yes third spaces would meet that need .. I mean I'm sure many trans persons wouldn't be happy about it, but they would be adequately provided for . But there will be many places that can't provide that, apart from possibly an existing disabled loo.
Also, if there is just a m and f changing room for example in a clothing shop, and a tw used the f, and a staff member noticed, is the tw acting "illegally" or is it just that they could be reminded of the shops policy and asked to use the m etc. ?
I do think the ruling is so positive, and is the only way it could go and still make sense, but I'm also thinking of my 21 yr old trans niece (who identifies as m and has used m loos for 6 yrs now) and how floored she is going to be by this.

Whittle boasts of helping many TRAs to extract settlements from shops and businesses over perceived and actual transgressions.

This is discrimination contrary to the Equality Act, write to the manager, say it is a letter before legal action. You want an apology & compensation (eg. 2K) for the distress and humiliation it caused you, give 20 days for reply. Want support dm me.

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Some businesses probably need to brief their staff although it may all continue to be murky depending on their previous policies.

Can someone talk me through this:
On what basis can a trans identifying woman be excluded from women’s spaces. I don’t want to exclude them but LARPing men have made us all twitchy.

Yeah, this is the kind of angle I was wondering about.

I mean it is true that while most trans people don't actually pass, some do ... ish, so a v passing tm may well be challenged in the female facilities. Bit of a mess eh.

but I don’t follow the point that trans identifying women who pass can be lawfully excluded from women’s spaces. Is that what it’s saying. Wouldn’t the same work for the mythical trans identifying man who passes - given that men are shit at seeing a person’s sex?

No the ruling isn't saying that, but if trans identifying woman who passes as a man feels she has to now use the female facilities as a result of this ruling, then other women using that facility might challenge her, believing that she is a man?

@HeadAboveHeadBelowwhat I’m saying is that TRAs are treating that as a gotcha and Maya F set out an extract of the ruling explaining why it wasn’t a gotcha. And I don’t follow what she meant.
fwiw Australia’s mighty mslistersis posted a comment basically saying “yeah it might happen but women are generally polite and respectful to each other and it’s no big deal”.
I would just like someone to talk me through what Maya F said about why the gotcha isn’t a gotcha.