Disability Rights Uk comes out with statement opposing the Supreme Court ruling

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Link to the statement here: https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/disability-rights-uk-opposes-uk-supreme-court-ruling-‘biological-sex’

I'm disabled (having two autoimmune diseases) and I'm frustrated with this statement which has been issued on my behalf. (To be fair, I'm pretty sceptical of Disability rights uk as it adopts a quite postmodernist 'social' concept of disability that says that disability will evaporate if our society is just structured in the right way. Tell that to my immune system which is destroying two of my organs).

"As part of a movement that has always called for ‘nothing about us without us’ – we’re particularly concerned by the court’s exclusion of Trans voices in their decision, and their failure to be led by the lived experience of one of society’s most silenced groups. Decisions about any group’s rights should never be made without the involvement of those most impacted."

The myth that 'trans voices' were excluded from the decision seems to have fully taken root, despite the fact that the trans position was fully argued and represented by the Scottish Government and Amnesty International. I don't see how the 'lived experience' of trans people would have aided the court in interpreting the legislation, which was purely an exercise of law.

"Around half of Trans people are also Disabled. Government policies already place disproportionate barriers on accessing vital healthcare, and now this ruling also erodes their protections against discrimination."

It's a bald faced lie to say that trans people have had protections against discrimination 'eroded'. The court was at great pains to explain that trans people are protected on the basis of sex and on the basis of gender reassignment.

But this bit made me particularly annoyed: "Setting the precedent that it’s okay to weaken the rights of one group, undermines everyone else's rights. Prioritising a bio-essentialist view of gender harms everyone, especially Disabled people. A person’s anatomy, hormone levels, or ability to conceive does not define whether they are a ‘real’ woman. "

And what about women's rights that were actually weakened by fake Stonewall law? The disabled women who faced having intimate care from male caregivers? The poor mentally ill woman who was in a psych ward with a male and who was gaslit into pretending he was a woman? Our rights have been systematically weakened for years by the trans movement: we have lost sporting opportunities, spaces, and even our sexual identity (lesbians being told they have to be open to relationships with males). I honestly think that many people don't really take seriously the idea that women even should have rights - we have little treats, perhaps, that are open to men who want them too and we are being awfully unkind for not being willing to share and putting up a fuss.

So now apparently saying that a woman is a female is a 'bio essentialist' view of gender. Why this is bad is not explained - 'bio essentialist' is just invoked as a bogeyman. And why would a bio essentialist view of gender particularly harm disabled people? It's not said.
But more importantly the Supreme Court wasn't talking about 'gender ' at all - it was talking about sex.

"Trans rights do not come at the expense of Disabled, or anyone else’s rights. In fact, our fight against ableism will never win without an end to transphobia too."

Look, if trans rights means that males who believe they are women get to go into single sex spaces that does come at the expense of women's rights to be in a female only space. It just does. I have no idea why people keep pretending that if transwomen are allowed to do whatever they want this will have no impact on women at all. There's currently a woman in a tribunal fighting for her right to get changed in a female only space - is she not impacted? And what on earth does disability rights really have to do with transphobia?

After this judgment I've just been seeing so much crap put out there that makes me feel like I'm back in 2016. The same old mantras and tropes are coming out to play: there's no conflict at all between trans rights and women's rights, it's transphobic for women to insist on their rights, saying women are female is 'bio essentialist' and harmful. It dismays me that the tension and conflict between trans rights and women's rights is just...not recognised. I would be far more happier if people were just honest and said 'yeah, we know you women have a right to single sex facilities but these rights should be taken away because the needs of trans people are more important" as opposed to this disingenuous bullshit that giving trans people everything they want will not affect any one else in the slightest.

Wtaf?!

disabled women and girls have a damned right to single sex care!!!!! Especially those who do not physically have the voice these TRAs do.

Bound to be. If you take the autistic, the sexually abused and the Malaga brigade out of the equation, I reckon you’re left with almost no one who identifies as transgender.

I’d agree @NebulousWhistler

This is the problem with NGOs in general. I mean Amnesty International spoke up on behalf of trans people, when its raison d'être is supposed to be the defence of political prisoners

As for trans people being disabled, unfortunately a large percentage of them are probably disabled by the medical treatment they've been given to transition. The only member of my family whose trans is in a wheelchair

Oh for the love of feck, disabilityrightsuk!

Agreed, but unfortunately this is not unusual.
The National Women’s Council in Ireland now has a transwoman on the board.

So of course their focus these days is celebrating trans day of remembrance and other shite - barely a whiff of actual women’s issues - and of course tweeted solidarity with their ‘trans sisters’ (so… men then) in the UK after the ruling.

Talk about massively deviating from their actual aims.

This would be such a good time for a disability rights organisation to be reminding people that accessible toilets are for disabled people, they are not 'gender neutral third spaces' for able-bodied trans people who refuse to use the toilet designated for their sex.

But no.😡

one of society’s most silenced groups.
<dies laughing>

Seriously, though, Disability Rights UK needs to wonder why so much effort has ben expended on trans rights over the past decade, whilst disabled people still struggle to access jobs and public spaces.

It's the new 'we think the Cass Report is biased because it didn't include crap, flawed and tiny studies and we don't like it' isn't it?

I would be far more happier if people were just honest and said 'yeah, we know you women have a right to single sex facilities but these rights should be taken away because the needs of trans people men are more important"

Men, not trans people. It's only men they care about. It's only men really impacted by this, by the loss of access to and control over women. Women with trans identities barely ever figure in anything unless they're in some way useful to the men of the cause, and they are one of the key beneficiaries of the judgment.

Forced teaming. I really do think that charities and bodies need to go back to a laser like focus on their core missions instead of getting bogged down in alternative campaigns. It takes away from the people they are trying to help.

If you dig about in their accounts, you’ll likely find they are heavily funded in many of their initiatives, by government.

Government has probably insisted, just as they have with women’s charities, that any funding will only be forthcoming if you adhere to the transactivist agenda.

I hope to goodness that this court ruling will finally put an end to this top down enforcement of an agenda which often does not align with the real needs of the people these charities are supposed to be helping,

That said, I believe the charity sector in general is almost as captured as the publishing world, partly because of the background of those who work in that industry.

I'm furious that a disability charity has come out with this.

We've had a nightmare recently with issues over carers for my preteen and there being no guarantee that a female carer was actually going to be female.

People like my daughter - a child with a life limiting and extremely disabled condition - are who the likes of Disability Uk should be looking out for.

And it is arguably unlawful if they are expending charity resources on doing stuff that is not furthering their charity purposes.

Glad to see a thread on this appalling statement by DRUK - not fit for purpose.

Agreed, if the NHS concentrated on treating people who are ill or injured and nursing them back to health, we might not have the massive waiting queues that we have. If all the people who were employed by the NHS were doing jobs that are related to that goal, we'd have more money to hire more doctors and nurse's.

I’m sad but unsurprised to see this.

Unfortunately the disabled community has been cuckooed by the T in almost the same way the LGB communities were.

There’s a lot of massively inappropriate cosplaying for attention going on.

”one of society’s most silenced groups”

< snort > Dear lord, that’s funny. Even more so for being stated without irony.

Look how quickly the language has turned from "gender realism" to "gender essentialism". Next, it'll be "gender fundamentalism", and not in a good way.

Sadly, I believe these are two separate cases. I may be mistaken, but I don't think so.

The woman who was raped on a hospital ward and was told it could not have happened because no men were present. I'm pretty sure the hospital lied to not only the patient but also the police. CCTV revealed the truth.

And the woman on a psych ward who was assigned a room with a man (transwoman). She was locked up and living in terror whilst being gaslit.

Looking at their Board of Trustees there are two they/thems

Disabled here, absolutely disgusted by the actions of disability rights!

Also, "Disabled" is in the name. That covers physical, neurodiverse and emotional. What if, as has been mentioned here already, a girl or woman does not have the capacity to understand about 'men in their toilet'?

I know a ND young lady who does understand, but language delay means she gets nouns/pronouns mixed up. I have been afraid for her for some time "getting it wrong" and ending up as a crime statistic, just like that poor girl who said what she said to the police officer she thought looked like her gran.

It's time to continue with action, ladies, and not let this rest.

This disabled woman is utterly f*ed off with Disabilty Rights Uk.