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Disability Rights Uk comes out with statement opposing the Supreme Court ruling

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WeeBisom · 18/04/2025 18:48

Link to the statement here: https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/disability-rights-uk-opposes-uk-supreme-court-ruling-‘biological-sex’

I'm disabled (having two autoimmune diseases) and I'm frustrated with this statement which has been issued on my behalf. (To be fair, I'm pretty sceptical of Disability rights uk as it adopts a quite postmodernist 'social' concept of disability that says that disability will evaporate if our society is just structured in the right way. Tell that to my immune system which is destroying two of my organs).

"As part of a movement that has always called for ‘nothing about us without us’ – we’re particularly concerned by the court’s exclusion of Trans voices in their decision, and their failure to be led by the lived experience of one of society’s most silenced groups. Decisions about any group’s rights should never be made without the involvement of those most impacted."

The myth that 'trans voices' were excluded from the decision seems to have fully taken root, despite the fact that the trans position was fully argued and represented by the Scottish Government and Amnesty International. I don't see how the 'lived experience' of trans people would have aided the court in interpreting the legislation, which was purely an exercise of law.

"Around half of Trans people are also Disabled. Government policies already place disproportionate barriers on accessing vital healthcare, and now this ruling also erodes their protections against discrimination."

It's a bald faced lie to say that trans people have had protections against discrimination 'eroded'. The court was at great pains to explain that trans people are protected on the basis of sex and on the basis of gender reassignment.

But this bit made me particularly annoyed: "Setting the precedent that it’s okay to weaken the rights of one group, undermines everyone else's rights. Prioritising a bio-essentialist view of gender harms everyone, especially Disabled people. A person’s anatomy, hormone levels, or ability to conceive does not define whether they are a ‘real’ woman. "

And what about women's rights that were actually weakened by fake Stonewall law? The disabled women who faced having intimate care from male caregivers? The poor mentally ill woman who was in a psych ward with a male and who was gaslit into pretending he was a woman? Our rights have been systematically weakened for years by the trans movement: we have lost sporting opportunities, spaces, and even our sexual identity (lesbians being told they have to be open to relationships with males). I honestly think that many people don't really take seriously the idea that women even should have rights - we have little treats, perhaps, that are open to men who want them too and we are being awfully unkind for not being willing to share and putting up a fuss.

So now apparently saying that a woman is a female is a 'bio essentialist' view of gender. Why this is bad is not explained - 'bio essentialist' is just invoked as a bogeyman. And why would a bio essentialist view of gender particularly harm disabled people? It's not said.
But more importantly the Supreme Court wasn't talking about 'gender ' at all - it was talking about sex.

"Trans rights do not come at the expense of Disabled, or anyone else’s rights. In fact, our fight against ableism will never win without an end to transphobia too."

Look, if trans rights means that males who believe they are women get to go into single sex spaces that does come at the expense of women's rights to be in a female only space. It just does. I have no idea why people keep pretending that if transwomen are allowed to do whatever they want this will have no impact on women at all. There's currently a woman in a tribunal fighting for her right to get changed in a female only space - is she not impacted? And what on earth does disability rights really have to do with transphobia?

After this judgment I've just been seeing so much crap put out there that makes me feel like I'm back in 2016. The same old mantras and tropes are coming out to play: there's no conflict at all between trans rights and women's rights, it's transphobic for women to insist on their rights, saying women are female is 'bio essentialist' and harmful. It dismays me that the tension and conflict between trans rights and women's rights is just...not recognised. I would be far more happier if people were just honest and said 'yeah, we know you women have a right to single sex facilities but these rights should be taken away because the needs of trans people are more important" as opposed to this disingenuous bullshit that giving trans people everything they want will not affect any one else in the slightest.

Disability Rights UK opposes the UK Supreme Court ruling on ‘biological sex’ | Disability Rights UK

https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/news/disability-rights-uk-opposes-uk-supreme-court-ruling-%E2%80%98biological-sex%E2%80%99

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DorothyStorm · 18/04/2025 18:56

the lived experience of one of society’s most silenced groups.
That is actually hilarious. Do you think they truly believe that nonsense?

Around half of Trans people are also Disabled.
Now that is very interesting. Would this be mainly asd?

Arran2024 · 18/04/2025 19:24

I'm annoyed too and told them so.

I posted about my daughters, who both get PIP. They are adopted. They both nearly died in their birth family, where they were practically starved and life was extremely scary.

They continue to suffer from the ongoing effects of this early trauma. They are both hypervigilant and highly anxious in public. They need quite a bit of scaffolding to be able to go out - one of the crucial elements of this is the knowledge that there will be same sex toilets.

They are both pretty and highly vulnerable - a tricky combination.

There have been so many incidents over the years. And they panic and run if they are triggered.

They have a right to feel safe in a designated women's space imo. This has long been a refuge for many women, escaping unwanted attention and finding a quiet spot away from whatever is going on.

But Disability Rights doesn't care about their mental health issues.

ClaudiaDark · 18/04/2025 20:54

I'm a disabled woman and have a learning disabled daughter. I'm disgusted by Disability Rights UK. How fucking dare they!

Kitchensnails · 18/04/2025 21:03

The statement is wild AF

Disability Rights UK is deeply saddened by the UK Supreme Court’s ruling that declares trans women are not 'biological women'.

Deeply saddened by reality? I wouldn't agree with the statement still but could semi understand if they'd said women without the biological prefix; but a disability charity denying biological and scientific reality is crazy.

one of society’s most silenced groups

A disability charity saying this when people with disabilities are genuinely one of societys most silenced groups, moreso women with disabilities is actually offensive.

Around half of Trans people are also Disabled

Funny enough they didnt care to back this claim up with any data.

Trans rights do not come at the expense of Disabled, or anyone else’s rights.

Except womens, eh.

TheOtherRaven · 18/04/2025 21:07

What a load of nonsense.

They might be saddened. I'm bloody relieved that as I deteriorate I'm not going to have to navigate a 'same sex' carer who is male and that I cannot say no to without legal coercion and punishment. Because that was fucking scary.

And if anyone was born in the wrong body.... fgs.

puffyisgood · 18/04/2025 21:08

in fairness the trans lobby offers an elegant solution to the issues faced by disabled people everywhere - if 'born in the wrong body' why not simply identify out if it?

[edit - same point made by pp, apologies]

Keeptoiletssafe · 18/04/2025 21:18

Their statement is not correct regarding safety. It is much safer, if they can, for those with disabilities, to use the correct toilet for their sex.

countrysidedeficit · 18/04/2025 21:19

Prioritising a bio-essentialist view of gender harms everyone, especially Disabled people. A person’s anatomy, hormone levels, or ability to conceive does not define whether they are a ‘real’ woman.

This is incoherent in so many ways. What a way to undermine their own credibility as an organisation.

I think it is a shame that organisations haven't taken longer to read the full judgment, carefully reflect and consider it, perhaps take competent advice, and only then begin composing public statements. Rather than rushing to issue knee jerk emotional responses doubling down on incoherent nonsense.

BoeotianNightmare · 18/04/2025 21:24

Bloody ludicrous. Severely disabled people including children ARE one of our most marginalised groups and a disability rights charity should be the first to welcome this ruling that helps safeguard them. Who do they think they are impressing with this nonsense?

Supporterofwomensrights · 18/04/2025 21:30

Nobody should expect Disability Rights UK to give a shit about women or children. After all, trans rights are human rights; women and children are sub-human. Get with the programme.

TheOtherRaven · 18/04/2025 21:32

Its the result of political capture and the culture of the large charities. Like the 'LGBT community' they no longer represent their diverse population, they merely represent one political viewpoint and those of the population who share it, and have abandoned and rejected all the rest.

Burntt · 18/04/2025 21:37

Yeah eco what people have already said on this thread.

it absolutely infuriates me such a tiny percentage of the population are centred in commentary and reactions to this ruling and the 51% of the population it was redressing the loss of rights for are ignored. Women had lost our rights now we have the power to take them back. OUR rights not to take anyone else’s. We have never wanted to take anyone else’s just protect our own.

I have a degenerative disorder. I’m fucking grateful I now won’t have to receive intimate care from a male when I get to needing that. I can’t see many disabled women feeling we should not have this right and being angry that we do.

ive seen it a lot not people still conflating sex with gender when talking about this. The ruling was on the definition of woman and sex. There was no ruling on gender other than to underscore transGENDER individuals retain all the rights and protections they had as are also a protected category under the EA2010.

I live in jeans with no makeup, hate pink and flowers and frills and lace. and I fixed the broken sink today- I’m more gender male than female by the harmful ideology. If non female gender have been barred from female spaces then a huge number of WOMEN would be barred from womens spaces. That’s not what fucking happened and everyone knows it why do they write this shit?!

OvaHere · 18/04/2025 21:44

DorothyStorm · 18/04/2025 18:56

the lived experience of one of society’s most silenced groups.
That is actually hilarious. Do you think they truly believe that nonsense?

Around half of Trans people are also Disabled.
Now that is very interesting. Would this be mainly asd?

Possibly. You also see disabilities in a number of older females who have taken testosterone at high levels for many years. It wreaks havoc on the female body and that's without even getting into the surgical complications for those who have gone down that path.

Stepfordian · 18/04/2025 21:47

The Supreme Court don’t make the law, they interpret the laws as set out by parliament, they could not be ‘led by the lived experience of trans people’ even if they wanted to. That’s not within their power!

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 18/04/2025 21:47

The fact that an organisation calling itself Disability Rights UK has an opinion about 'trans' shows they're not fit for purpose. They should be focus on people with disabilities and all the disadvantages they might face, not spending they're time, money and attention on anything else.

LonginesPrime · 18/04/2025 22:53

“A person’s anatomy, hormone levels, or ability to conceive does not define whether they are a ‘real’ woman.”

How can an organisation whose bread and butter work involves advising people on the EA 2010 reach such a bizarre interpretation of what this judgment was about?

Why on earth would the EA 2010 have been enacted to define what constitutes a ‘real woman’?!? Why would that even be a thing?

I’ve always found this organisation to be incredibly helpful and knowledgeable on disability law, but their suggestion that the judgment was about who is a real woman is absolutely insane. It beggars belief that they don’t understand that this was about who was intended to be described by the defined term in the statute.

And the irony of that line about weakening the rights of another group!

The issue of sex vs gender arises a lot for us in terms of my DD’s care (as she needs female support staff but we also need to be able to articulate that without being labelled bigots), and I shall be emailing them too.

Theunamedcat · 18/04/2025 22:58

I'm actually fucking speechless as if disabled people arnt being attacked enough we are now being attacked by our own

This is why the suicide law was introduced isn't it I fucking despair

Eyebagsandincopads · 18/04/2025 23:05

I am a disabled woman and work with children with complex needs & learning disabilities (in my opinion and as research shows , the most vulnerable and at risk of abuse) I am appalled at this statement. I feel so angry and can only imagine how the children's parents/carers feel. Shameful.

northwestgirl · 18/04/2025 23:06

I'm going to take a wild guess here and say that whoever is making statements on behalf of people with disabilities in this country are men
probably white MC men with higher education

lnks · 18/04/2025 23:06

we’re particularly concerned by the court’s exclusion of Trans voices in their decision” is code for ‘the court refused to give in to the demands of TRAs’

SidewaysOtter · 18/04/2025 23:08

“Nothing about us without us” seems to perpetually mean “trans people are put front and centre on everything from sex-based rights to which day the bins are collected”.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 18/04/2025 23:39

The poor mentally ill woman who was in a psych ward with a male and who was gaslit into pretending he was a woman?

It's worse than that, if it's the case I'm thinking of. He raped her and the NHS Trust denied that a rape could have taken place because no men were on the ward. Disabled women need single-sex spaces and DRUK should be defunded and closed down.

DorothyStorm · 18/04/2025 23:46

lnks · 18/04/2025 23:06

we’re particularly concerned by the court’s exclusion of Trans voices in their decision” is code for ‘the court refused to give in to the demands of TRAs’

But the TRA wanted no debate

FictionalCharacter · 19/04/2025 00:09

I’m disgusted by them. Unbelievable.

NeverOneBiscuit · 19/04/2025 00:44

“one of societies most silenced groups”

Silent? Who’ve been given air time bleating all over the media since the ruling? Who had the Scottish Government arguing their case? Who had Stonewall spreading their ideology through public & private institutions? Who turn up to Let Women Speak gatherings with air horns, screaming & shouting at women who are exercising their free speech?
Rainbows in schools? Drag queens in libraries & all over the BBC? NHS virtually obliterating the language used to describe women?

If that’s a silenced group then god knows what a vocal one looks like. Utter nonsense.

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