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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Here comes the stupidity

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HelenaWaiting · 18/04/2025 16:26

Of course this random knows better than anyone else what the Equality Act "meant to say".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/18/ruling-on-woman-definition-at-odds-with-uk-equality-acts-aim-says-ex-civil-servant

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JazzyContemporaneousNotes · 18/04/2025 16:37

unfortunately, not a random.

Ingenieur · 18/04/2025 16:43

Then the law was drafted terribly if this was the intent.

The hundreds of paragraphs of unanimously-agreed judicial reasoning lay out in detail the incoherent garbage thatvwould result from any other interpretation.

This is a major self-own...

Myalternate · 18/04/2025 16:57

Should have done a better job then shouldn’t she?
Personally, if I’ve had to prepare a Contract with a client, I ensure that all conditions are unambiguous and cannot be misinterpreted.

PriOn1 · 18/04/2025 17:23

There are always an astonishing number of coincidences that happen in transactivists’ favour.

Amazing that this “evidence” has, by some awful accident, only come to anyone’s attention AFTER the judgment was made. You’d assume this important witness could have been told before, so they could have offered to intervene at the right time, before the decision was made.

Such a pity that nobody told this vital witness the case was happening. What a travesty for trans rights that this poor civil servant only found out in time to make a huge splash in the press, when it was too late to prevent the awful damage.

lcakethereforeIam · 18/04/2025 17:30

Unfortunate that she didn't speak up earlier when her recollection could have been tested by the court, under oath. Odd how these things happen.

LonginesPrime · 18/04/2025 18:23

The judges looked for any evidence in secondary sources of whether parliament intended to amend the definition of woman from that of the Sex Discrimination Act that the EA was replacing, and said they couldn’t find any indication that this was the case.

Honestly, it doesn’t really matter what the civil service drafter of the statute thinks the purpose of the law was originally supposed to be - parliament still reviewed each revision and ultimately signed off on the wording used, so even if someone did once suggest saying “pregnant person” or whatever during one iteration, that’s not the version that was approved by parliament and passed into law, so it’s obviously not what Parliament wanted the law to say.

Furthermore, I would say the fact parliament actively considered changing ‘woman’ to ‘person’ in respect of female biological functions, but then ultimately changed it back to ‘woman’ gives even more weight to the notion that they intended woman to mean biological woman.

mumda · 18/04/2025 18:26

Peaceful protest.
They're not happy. I wonder how many people went.

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Ingenieur · 18/04/2025 18:29

"Due to legal guidelines this will not be a march"

So no approval for this from the police? Sounds like a recipe for a good time...

RNApolymerase · 18/04/2025 18:32

I wonder if gangs of masked women are going to try to prevent the protest from taking place.

Oh no, hang on....

mimsiest · 18/04/2025 18:39

More than I would have guessed
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/s/EHs6vvxQw0

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:42

If you intended for trans rights to trump women's rights in the Equality Act, you should have fucking written that then, you utter fucking numpty. Don't start whingeing 15 years later because the Supreme Court has failed to read between the lines and divine your true meaning.

PS - You are (were) a civil servant. Your job is (was) to do as you're bloody well told by the democratically elected government. Back in your box.

LizzieSiddal · 18/04/2025 18:45

More stupidilty on R4 PM. Top story was Evan salivating over interviewing Lord Sumption who stated people are misinterpreting the SC judgement. To be honest I couldn’t get to grips with what he was actually saying but Evan seemed delighted.

theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 18/04/2025 18:52

I believe it was their intention, but they messed up. Even so, it wouldn't have mattered if TRAs hadn't then taken the piss. FAFO.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:59

theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 18/04/2025 18:52

I believe it was their intention, but they messed up. Even so, it wouldn't have mattered if TRAs hadn't then taken the piss. FAFO.

For trans rights to trump women's rights? Really?

SabrinaThwaite · 18/04/2025 19:01

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:42

If you intended for trans rights to trump women's rights in the Equality Act, you should have fucking written that then, you utter fucking numpty. Don't start whingeing 15 years later because the Supreme Court has failed to read between the lines and divine your true meaning.

PS - You are (were) a civil servant. Your job is (was) to do as you're bloody well told by the democratically elected government. Back in your box.

She’s now ‘Melanie Field Independent Advisory Services’.

Maybe she’s hoping that the Good Law Project (currently grifting) will employ her for an appeal to the ECtHR?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 19:06

PriOn1 · 18/04/2025 17:23

There are always an astonishing number of coincidences that happen in transactivists’ favour.

Amazing that this “evidence” has, by some awful accident, only come to anyone’s attention AFTER the judgment was made. You’d assume this important witness could have been told before, so they could have offered to intervene at the right time, before the decision was made.

Such a pity that nobody told this vital witness the case was happening. What a travesty for trans rights that this poor civil servant only found out in time to make a huge splash in the press, when it was too late to prevent the awful damage.

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It's all bullshit anyway. What civil servants intend to draft in legislation is irrelevant. Parliament decides, and the government tells the civil servants what to do.

If parliament intended trans rights to trump women's rights, there would be a record of it in Hansard.

HelenaWaiting · 18/04/2025 19:13

JazzyContemporaneousNotes · 18/04/2025 16:37

unfortunately, not a random.

Anyone who speaks out as a "former" anything is, in my eyes, a random. She literally has no status pertaining to this case.

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theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 18/04/2025 19:15

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 18:59

For trans rights to trump women's rights? Really?

No, for TW to be treated by the law as if they were women, but with checks and balances in the form of the guidance on trans-inclusion in situations where the sexes are not treated the same in law. Guidance which was roundly ignored. I mean, it's all nonsense, of course, but it's been the overreach that triggered all the court cases.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 19:16

theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 18/04/2025 19:15

No, for TW to be treated by the law as if they were women, but with checks and balances in the form of the guidance on trans-inclusion in situations where the sexes are not treated the same in law. Guidance which was roundly ignored. I mean, it's all nonsense, of course, but it's been the overreach that triggered all the court cases.

I mean, doesn't this expose it all as a load of nonsense? Giving people the right to be treated as though they were the opposite sex except in situations where we actually treat men and women differently?

SabrinaThwaite · 18/04/2025 19:20

I enjoyed the Harriet Harman ratio on Xitter.

Melanie and Harriet seem to be equally confused.

Here comes the stupidity
theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 18/04/2025 19:21

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 19:16

I mean, doesn't this expose it all as a load of nonsense? Giving people the right to be treated as though they were the opposite sex except in situations where we actually treat men and women differently?

Well yes, it was a sop, and meant to be harmless.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2025 19:21

theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 18/04/2025 19:21

Well yes, it was a sop, and meant to be harmless.

Sadly, many supposedly harmless things cause a great deal of harm.

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