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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Will TW who’ve taken women’s prizes be allowed to keep them?

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TiredWife · 17/04/2025 17:12

Just that really. I presume it will be argued that law can’t be applied retrospectively, but am just thinking of medal winners and e.g. the TW who was shortlisted for the Women’s Prize for Fiction etc? Makes me angry that they occupied a slot that should have been filled by a woman.

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ItisntOver · 17/04/2025 17:20

I confidently expect more to be awarded as acts of allyship and defiance.

I anticipate coercion and FOG plus fervent virtue signalling by those who are largely unaffected by their luxury beliefs.

Floisme · 17/04/2025 17:43

My interpretation of yesterday’s ruling is that any organisations that gave women’s places and prizes to transwomen were applying the current law incorrectly, so while it’s hard to imagine them voluntarily making amends, I think would be very interesting if women who were pushed out by their mistake took action.

NumberTheory · 17/04/2025 17:54

Floisme · 17/04/2025 17:43

My interpretation of yesterday’s ruling is that any organisations that gave women’s places and prizes to transwomen were applying the current law incorrectly, so while it’s hard to imagine them voluntarily making amends, I think would be very interesting if women who were pushed out by their mistake took action.

That's my understanding of the ruling - that it means where people haven't been compliant with a woman=biological woman reading of the equality act, they have been breaking the law.

But from my understanding of how it works, doesn't it mean that from a legal perspective, the people discriminated against in a female only category that included transwomen - men?

Because the event was actually mixed sex and all women were allowed to be considered, but not all men.

(Edited to try and make my word salad clearer.)

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 17/04/2025 19:09

All of the wrongs done since 2010 now have to be undone. Is my understanding of the judgement, although I admit, there might be a lot of wishful thinking in that.
But certainly any Trans IDing man who won a title in a contest that was titled Women's, such as the Women's Pool Championship, should now be stripped of the title, the organisers shouldn't be allowed to retroactively just re-title a contest that done and dusted a Mixed Sex Championship.

Needspaceforlego · 17/04/2025 19:25

I think the titles and any records should be removed.
But it's beyond me how you deal with prize money?
Or the missed opportunities, i.e., women and girls who missed out in qualifying for other competitions because of males.

Hamabeed · 18/04/2025 09:22

I am delighted by the SC ruling and looking forward to clear sex based spaces, categories, sports, shortlists and everything. However I don’t think it is a good idea to go back and retrospectively strip TIMs of women’s prizes etc from the past. It will give TRAs too much fodder for presenting us as cruel and vindictive etc and I don’t believe it would help turning the tide of public opinion in the right way.
Also. The TIMs winning women’s prizes falsely- it’s not their fault directly that the prizes were given to them it was the organisations doing it.
I think we leave the past be and go forth rightfully now.

loveyouradvice · 18/04/2025 13:24

Legally we could but I agree with @Hamabeed it's not going to happen "naturally" so better than we focus on the future ....although given how recent the Women's Pool Championship was, and how very blatant it was, I would hope they might be challenged and the final rerun with the two most successful biological women

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