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And so it begins - males can no longer conduct intimate searches of women - Transport Police

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ArabellaScott · 17/04/2025 13:37

https://www.gbnews.com/news/british-transport-police-strip-search-policy-supreme-court-ruling-trans-woman

'Trans officers within British Transport Police can no longer conduct intimate searches of women following a Supreme Court ruling, GB News can reveal.
Guidance to staff seen by this broadcaster said that, as an interim position, any "same sex searches are to be undertaken in accordance with the biological sex of the detainee."

Deputy Chief Constable Alistair Sutherland told BTP officers that the force would provide "further clarity" once it "had a chance to digest the judgment" handed down at the Supreme Court yesterday, which ruled that trans women are not legally women.'

British Transport Police update strip search policy after landmark trans Supreme Court decision

Officers have been referred to the 'Wellbeing Hub' if affected by legal ruling

https://www.gbnews.com/news/british-transport-police-strip-search-policy-supreme-court-ruling-trans-woman

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 17/04/2025 21:49

I hope this also means that female BTP officers cannot be forced to perform intimate searches on trans women.

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/04/2025 22:22

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 17/04/2025 21:49

I hope this also means that female BTP officers cannot be forced to perform intimate searches on trans women.

It does.Grin

ArabellaScott · 17/04/2025 22:27

Hastentoadd · 17/04/2025 21:09

Agree, It’s great things are happening so quickly.

I think a lot or organisations knew what was happening was wrong but their hands were tied, with the new law it means they can implement change without fear of having a potential fight on their hands

100%

I'm sure most police and prison officers are relieved.

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WallaceinAnderland · 17/04/2025 23:11

Oh the irony!

And so it begins - males can no longer conduct intimate searches of women - Transport Police
Needspaceforlego · 18/04/2025 01:49

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 17/04/2025 21:49

I hope this also means that female BTP officers cannot be forced to perform intimate searches on trans women.

I'd hope so.
Well done to the Transport police for being on the case.
I was joking in all seriousness that certain polices should change by Tuesday of next week, inc public and school toilets, NHS hospitals etc.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 18/04/2025 08:25

WallaceinAnderland · 17/04/2025 23:11

Oh the irony!

I hope people are commenting and pointing out the situation for females? Not got Twitter just now. Or the fact that 95% odd of TW still have their equipment?

Gettingmadderallthetime · 18/04/2025 09:00

TheOtherRaven · 17/04/2025 21:12

Argh, too right, the BBC are not apparently able to acknowledge the existence of half the human race.

The MAIN ISSUE is that men may be upset at being searched by other men.

Not that until yesterday women knew that men were being told they had a right to strip search a woman in their identity regardless of the woman's perceptions, experience and consent with the woman under threat of accusations of 'hate' for voicing distress

Not that women have been forced to search men - who have harassed them and visibly enjoyed it

What could possibly be the motive to hide that part entirely and frame it only as poor men possibly experiencing something women have been required to suck up for years under legal threats if they said something evil like 'I'm not ok with this'?

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This was my first response. Why not talk about the injustice to women that this remedied. I totally agree that searching should be done by someone of same sex - as per law.

But realised when reading your post that whereas there was a small risk for women of opposite sex searches (and this was unacceptable no matter how small a risk) that 100% of TW will now be searched by men. Always. I can see why the reporting may be this way around. (Though I think the BBC did it because they are blind to women's concerns.)

TheOtherRaven · 18/04/2025 09:07

The problem is, it was fine so long as it was happening to 'cis women' who are barely human after all. It was then all about the experience of the male officer, both in terms of validation and of being able to do this to a woman who couldn't say no, however distressed she was.

That was all fine to do to her.

Yes, I can fully understand a TW not wanting to be searched by a man - for the similar reasons I cared about women being searched by a man, although the fact stands that the TW is a male with additional complications and needs. However among that 100% of TW will be the smirking male prisoners we've all read about who are thoroughly enjoying the discomfort and harassment they get to inflict on a woman officer who is sent to search them to respect their identity. Those women officers also deserve not to be put into this position and abused by men in this way. How do you create a policy that works for all when it may for a TW have to be based on judgements about sincerity of transition, motivation, personality and motive of the person concerned.....? It's not possible.

How should the police deal with that? I have no idea. But I really do object to any demand made now that women care and think about men's experience in this when those men openly derided the women's experience when it was happening to them.

MatJas · 18/04/2025 10:39

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 17/04/2025 14:34

I’m in the police (Scotland) and currently it’s based on gender identity and they (person in custody) can asked to be searched by a person that matches said identify however the employee (me) can decline. I have made pretty loud noises if I’m ever in that situation I would decline. Female colleagues have searched, not strip as far as I’m aware, trans women but I wonder if they’ve done this as they think it’s compulsory. This part is glossed over pretty quickly in training.

I’m hoping after yesterday’s ruling it will be a blanket ban on searching the opposite sex. Also hoping if we can start recording crimes in sex now instead of gender identity, which is crazy as it is.

Edited for typos.

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GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 18/04/2025 12:51

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 17/04/2025 14:34

I’m in the police (Scotland) and currently it’s based on gender identity and they (person in custody) can asked to be searched by a person that matches said identify however the employee (me) can decline. I have made pretty loud noises if I’m ever in that situation I would decline. Female colleagues have searched, not strip as far as I’m aware, trans women but I wonder if they’ve done this as they think it’s compulsory. This part is glossed over pretty quickly in training.

I’m hoping after yesterday’s ruling it will be a blanket ban on searching the opposite sex. Also hoping if we can start recording crimes in sex now instead of gender identity, which is crazy as it is.

Edited for typos.

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Latest reverse ferret move incoming:

https://x.com/thescotsman/status/1913193590123004316?s=46

“Police Scotland orders policy review in wake of Supreme Court gender definition ruling”

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/04/2025 16:40

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 18/04/2025 12:51

Latest reverse ferret move incoming:

https://x.com/thescotsman/status/1913193590123004316?s=46

“Police Scotland orders policy review in wake of Supreme Court gender definition ruling”

Yeah read that today. Will be interesting.

Timefordrama · 18/04/2025 18:04

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/04/2025 21:15

Re the BBC, they would like to know your views on their future....

BBC Survey

I've just completed this. Ticked all the neutral answers, then typed in the box at the end asking for any other comments:
'Don't centre men, including men who identify as women, when discussing women's issues.'
Cba to go into any more detail than that.

ErinBell01 · 18/04/2025 19:54

Not sure about British Transport Police but other police are strip searching more women than ever - at the same time as strip searching of men is reducing.

Violetparis · 18/04/2025 20:33

I mentioned earlier on this thread about the director (pronouns in signature) at the NHS organisation I work for sending an email to staff saying that those affected by the Supreme Court decision could access well being support. I am raging today thinking about it, there should have been an acknowledgement that the organisation got their policies wrong, and an apology to female staff who have had to put up with their language and spaces being erased.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 18/04/2025 20:40

Violetparis · 18/04/2025 20:33

I mentioned earlier on this thread about the director (pronouns in signature) at the NHS organisation I work for sending an email to staff saying that those affected by the Supreme Court decision could access well being support. I am raging today thinking about it, there should have been an acknowledgement that the organisation got their policies wrong, and an apology to female staff who have had to put up with their language and spaces being erased.

What does 'well being support' include?
Counselling?
At what cost to the tax payer?

Violetparis · 18/04/2025 20:58

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 18/04/2025 20:40

What does 'well being support' include?
Counselling?
At what cost to the tax payer?

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It's links to videos with meditation exercises, tips on reducing stress etc, not counselling.

ErinBell01 · 19/04/2025 01:00

Is your NHS org saying that men can no longer access women's toilets, changing rooms etc? Or just ignoring it?

Violetparis · 19/04/2025 08:59

ErinBell01 · 19/04/2025 01:00

Is your NHS org saying that men can no longer access women's toilets, changing rooms etc? Or just ignoring it?

They have said that policies/guidelines are being reviewed.

Viviennemary · 19/04/2025 09:10

It's absolutely shocking that this was ever even allowed in the first place.

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