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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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YorkshirePuddingsGreatestFan · 17/04/2025 09:14

It's never been harder to be a woman... and today, my thoughts are with our trans sisters. For while it is difficult (impossible, at times) to go through life as a cis woman – when our reproductive rights are being eroded in 'modern-day' America and our bodily autonomy taken away; when "Your body, my choice" is echoed in the mouths of misogynistic men on the streets and on social media; when women in Afghanistan are banned from showing their faces or hearing each other's voices – now, a startling Supreme Court ruling has effectively outlawed and excluded trans women from all public spaces.

That this can happen in Britain, under a Labour government – that it can stand on the shoulders of our deep-rooted values of diversity, inclusion and tolerance – is unthinkable, bordering on perverse. It was with a deep sense of shame and solidarity that I spoke to the journalist Diana Thomas, who writes for us on Voices, this week – about how this ruling will directly impact her life and the lives of other trans women (and your lives, too).

She told me she was barely able to watch the ruling come in, because she was so terrified about its impact. "Our lives are at stake," she said. "It's devastating. I will now be excluded from all women's spaces." Diana made an important point that is all too often missing (or misunderstood): that this ruling affects only trans women, not trans men – that of the infinitesimally small percentage of trans people within our community (0.055%), this impacts approximately half of those.

And so, this tiny number of vulnerable trans women (let's not forget that the trans community is the most targeted group within the LGBT+ community as a whole) now have nowhere to go; are effectively being told they don't – can't – belong to British society... because of what? Lack of proof about the impact of trans women on cis women, and a movement funded by the far right in America.

As my colleague Kat Brown pointed out, this ruling also means that any woman who doesn’t resemble some mythical feminine ideal also risks being challenged in loos and changing rooms – and indeed, this has already happened to Kat (she stands at a statuesque 6'1").

First, they came for trans women. The question we now need to ask is: who’s next?

Victoria Richards
Voices editor

What a load of melodramatic tosh!

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lady69 · 17/04/2025 09:16

Peak handmaidening!

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 17/04/2025 09:18

Get a grip FGS Victoria

JellySaurus · 17/04/2025 09:18

How awful to only have a few more rights than other men.

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Bluebootsgreenboots · 17/04/2025 09:20

Ah. Diana Thomas. Another to confirm my theory that these ‘most marginalised, most vulnerable’ are not only men, but the best educated, well off ones.
They wouldn’t know what marginalised and vulnerable actually means.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 17/04/2025 09:21

Excluded from all public spaces!

I mean, if I’m honest I kinda wish one or two specific ones were, sometimes…

🙄🙄🙄

Ingenieur · 17/04/2025 09:23

"has effectively outlawed and excluded trans women from all public spaces."

Lol, wot?

GCAcademic · 17/04/2025 09:23

Yes, Victoria, they'll pick you.

HellonHeels · 17/04/2025 09:24

Fucksake

Ilovetowander · 17/04/2025 09:25

No this group are only excluded from women only spaces ie toilets, changing rooms and the few women’s spaces that are exist. Most public spaces are mixed

HellonHeels · 17/04/2025 09:26

Transwomen are men. Get over it.

Sortumn · 17/04/2025 09:27

This sort of tosh is dangerous to vulnerable young people who just soak it up unquestioningly.

JKRismyPatronus · 17/04/2025 09:27

🤦‍♀️ what a load of twaddle

DialSquare · 17/04/2025 09:35

LOL

ClawsandEffect · 17/04/2025 09:37

I agree with her. More than one perspective is possible.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 17/04/2025 09:50

Yawn. I'm sooo sick of transwomen being described as vulnerable when they have been trampling over rape survivors and disabled women asking for female only care.

Sparkletits · 17/04/2025 10:41

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 17/04/2025 09:50

Yawn. I'm sooo sick of transwomen being described as vulnerable when they have been trampling over rape survivors and disabled women asking for female only care.

It's not the same trans women doing both things though is it.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 17/04/2025 10:59

ClawsandEffect · 17/04/2025 09:37

I agree with her. More than one perspective is possible.

There isn’t more than one fact that says men can’t be women. They can ‘feel’ what they like but the facts are not up for discussion or interpretation. To turn Stonewall’s diktat back on itself ‘no debate’.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 17/04/2025 11:00

Sparkletits · 17/04/2025 10:41

It's not the same trans women doing both things though is it.

How do you know? Do you know ALL the TIM’s?

CrocsNotDocs · 17/04/2025 11:02

Jeezus @YorkshirePuddingsGreatestFan I thought you were writing these histrionics until I reached the end!

What a steaming pile of whatever.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 17/04/2025 11:02

YorkshirePuddingsGreatestFan · 17/04/2025 09:14

It's never been harder to be a woman... and today, my thoughts are with our trans sisters. For while it is difficult (impossible, at times) to go through life as a cis woman – when our reproductive rights are being eroded in 'modern-day' America and our bodily autonomy taken away; when "Your body, my choice" is echoed in the mouths of misogynistic men on the streets and on social media; when women in Afghanistan are banned from showing their faces or hearing each other's voices – now, a startling Supreme Court ruling has effectively outlawed and excluded trans women from all public spaces.

That this can happen in Britain, under a Labour government – that it can stand on the shoulders of our deep-rooted values of diversity, inclusion and tolerance – is unthinkable, bordering on perverse. It was with a deep sense of shame and solidarity that I spoke to the journalist Diana Thomas, who writes for us on Voices, this week – about how this ruling will directly impact her life and the lives of other trans women (and your lives, too).

She told me she was barely able to watch the ruling come in, because she was so terrified about its impact. "Our lives are at stake," she said. "It's devastating. I will now be excluded from all women's spaces." Diana made an important point that is all too often missing (or misunderstood): that this ruling affects only trans women, not trans men – that of the infinitesimally small percentage of trans people within our community (0.055%), this impacts approximately half of those.

And so, this tiny number of vulnerable trans women (let's not forget that the trans community is the most targeted group within the LGBT+ community as a whole) now have nowhere to go; are effectively being told they don't – can't – belong to British society... because of what? Lack of proof about the impact of trans women on cis women, and a movement funded by the far right in America.

As my colleague Kat Brown pointed out, this ruling also means that any woman who doesn’t resemble some mythical feminine ideal also risks being challenged in loos and changing rooms – and indeed, this has already happened to Kat (she stands at a statuesque 6'1").

First, they came for trans women. The question we now need to ask is: who’s next?

Victoria Richards
Voices editor

What a load of melodramatic tosh!

I nearly cried reading that. With laughter 😂

ClawsandEffect · 17/04/2025 11:03

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 17/04/2025 10:59

There isn’t more than one fact that says men can’t be women. They can ‘feel’ what they like but the facts are not up for discussion or interpretation. To turn Stonewall’s diktat back on itself ‘no debate’.

That is your perspective, which I respect. It isn't mine.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 17/04/2025 11:10

ClawsandEffect · 17/04/2025 11:03

That is your perspective, which I respect. It isn't mine.

I respect facts. One of which is that people can’t change sex, and it is regressive and misogynistic to believe that they can, as well as harmful to vulnerable children with ND, NONE of whom are born in the wrong body.

ClawsandEffect · 17/04/2025 11:12

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 17/04/2025 11:10

I respect facts. One of which is that people can’t change sex, and it is regressive and misogynistic to believe that they can, as well as harmful to vulnerable children with ND, NONE of whom are born in the wrong body.

As I said, I respect your POV. I just don't share it. MN is an open space for discussion. We don't all have to agree.