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Author’s latest book shoehorns trans identified male into women’s friendship group.

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mylittlekomododragon · 07/04/2025 17:25

I have the latest audio book by an author whose books I usually enjoy, but am struggling because a trans identified male has been shoe horned into a women’s friendship group, a menopause group no less, and is welcomed with open arms by simpering handmaidens, apart from one big bad terf who is painted as an out of touch bigot. The character goes on to discuss menopause symptoms, saying they understand, but it felt so jarring. So disappointing, as in a previous book this author had made a comment that made me think she was gender critical, but the pandering to this trans character is staggering. The whole character arc felt contrived, and coming from a 60 year old woman, was almost as disappointing as Margaret Atwood!

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Grammarnut · 15/04/2025 23:08

WorriedOnion · 15/04/2025 18:10

I can highly recommend Spiked, it's definitely worth a read.

I have bought it and it is on my list to read after I have finished 'Men Who Hate Women'.

PremiumD · 15/04/2025 23:59

Ddakji · 15/04/2025 18:17

I think my gripe was the way Ruth just accept “I was a man” when she knows full well Janet is still a man. We “hear” Ruth’s thoughts about a lot of things, she’s quite dogmatic about atheism, about politics - but, as we know is usual, her intelligence and her scepticism vanish in the face of trans.

It felt shoehorned in, even though it was written quite a few years back, but I guess EG lives in Brighton which is trans central.

EG also seemed to become quite pally with the odious Robin Stevens when she (EG) released her first children’s book, RS is a colossal TRA and really nasty bully in kidlit, married to an equally odious kids’ publishing TIM (and has a baby with him), but I get the feeling that may have cooled off a bit.

Ruth Galloway seems to be able to determine who’s male or female based on their bones too…

PremiumD · 15/04/2025 23:59

I can’t see Amanda Jette Knox mentioned without thinking of the Mr Menno video.

cariadlet · 16/04/2025 00:27

Appalonia · 07/04/2025 23:58

Some good feminist novels I've read recently are Vox, and the 2 novel series, Moths and Toxxic. Both dystopian fiction. Vox is about a world where women are only allowed to say 100 words a day, and Moths/ Toxxic is about a virus that only affects men!

Vox is by Christina Dalcher who has written other thrillers. Some are strongly feminist eg Femlandia.
She's a total Terf.

WorriedOnion · 16/04/2025 10:08

Grammarnut · 15/04/2025 23:08

I have bought it and it is on my list to read after I have finished 'Men Who Hate Women'.

I'd be interested to hear what you think of Men Who Hate Women. I read Everyday Sexism but was disappointed at the shoehorning in of transwomen. It did feel somewhat contrived, hopefully that was intentional on the author's part.

clarabenton · 16/04/2025 14:00

WorriedOnion · 15/04/2025 18:10

I can highly recommend Spiked, it's definitely worth a read.

Thanks, WorriedOnion, glad you enjoyed it!

clarabenton · 16/04/2025 14:09

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/04/2025 19:36

@Ddakji I would love to write, but publishing just seems like such a toxic industry at the moment. I think that unless you are literally JK Rowling, being outed as a TERF is basically the kiss of death for your writing career, particularly in children's literature. So you're right, we have no way of knowing what Elly Griffiths really thinks, and based on the way Janet is described and the lack of overt proselytising, I would hazard a guess that she is just toeing the line.

As for Robin Stevens, I would honestly love to know what is really going on in the heads of these women whose husbands fly to Málaga Airport. Are they genuinely cool with it, or are they living a lie so their spouse can live "their truth"?

MissScarlet, I’d definitely encourage you to write! I ended up publishing Spiked through a small press, and I don’t have an agent, but it’s sold a few hundred copies since coming out earlier in the year, so it is possible to have some success. I’ve just had to work perhaps a bit harder than someone with an agent and a traditional publishing deal to promote it, but it’s been so worth it. Please do DM me if you want to chat further! And not everyone in publishing is a TRA, I’ve met a fair few who aren’t, plus many others who share our views but keep their heads down.

mylittlekomododragon · 17/04/2025 09:21

After yesterday’s ruling, I would hope that the women in the menopause group in the book would feel able to tell “Astrid” to do one and not invade single sex spaces. I won’t hold my breath about Milly Johnson doing the same.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 09:31

@mylittlekomododragon If I were in that fictional menopause group and the trans woman continued to attend, I would bring my husband along. And when the group objected to the presence of my husband, I would say, "He has every right to be here. This isn't a single sex group. The Supreme Court made it very clear that if a women only group includes trans women, with or without a GRC, it is not a single sex group and cannot rely on the single sex exemption to exclude the opposite sex. So you are currently directly and unlawfully discriminating against my husband."

Grammarnut · 17/04/2025 22:13

WorriedOnion · 16/04/2025 10:08

I'd be interested to hear what you think of Men Who Hate Women. I read Everyday Sexism but was disappointed at the shoehorning in of transwomen. It did feel somewhat contrived, hopefully that was intentional on the author's part.

I have read Everyday Sexism and was equally disappointed. My first take on Men Who Hate Women is that it doesn't match my own experience, though I am aware that means little, and that there is a bias against white men especially, that I don't think is justified by the evidence put forward, which is not so much anecdotal as thin. Again, transwomen are treated as women so far, which I find ludicrous and enraging at the same time. I am persevering because I sort of see what she means about misogyny's reach and that it's the water we swim in so frequently we do not notice.

mylittlekomododragon · 01/07/2025 06:42

By the looks of her latest blog post it seems as if Milly has read this thread! And she’s determined to write more about Astrid, sending “her” on a cruise (probably because of the freebie jolly she’s just been on for “research purposes”). Definitely won’t be reading that!

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PermanentTemporary · 01/07/2025 06:57

I think if I could write I’d enjoy putting in a character that I knew was trans or nonbinary but never explicitly saying it or referring to it. A bit hard to imagine but I would love to try doing it. I agree though that the Janet character referred to above sounds like a perfectly good way forward.

SirChenjins · 01/07/2025 06:58

Thanks gor the heads up, I'll score MJ off my reading list and will make sure my female-only book group are aware of her nonsense.

PaterPower · 01/07/2025 09:47

I haven’t tried Moths, but if you liked VOX then the same author wrote a book called Q, which is equally good / unsettling.

theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 01/07/2025 10:32

PermanentTemporary · 01/07/2025 06:57

I think if I could write I’d enjoy putting in a character that I knew was trans or nonbinary but never explicitly saying it or referring to it. A bit hard to imagine but I would love to try doing it. I agree though that the Janet character referred to above sounds like a perfectly good way forward.

Marion Breem, in the Erlendur series, is never sexed, nor does the author (Indridasson) know.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 01/07/2025 11:17

PermanentTemporary · 01/07/2025 06:57

I think if I could write I’d enjoy putting in a character that I knew was trans or nonbinary but never explicitly saying it or referring to it. A bit hard to imagine but I would love to try doing it. I agree though that the Janet character referred to above sounds like a perfectly good way forward.

I’ve read a few books where they do a big tadum reveal right at the end where a female character is revealed to have been trans all along and no one could tell!! Cue big performative shock amongst the other characters because they passed soooo well

i assume you don’t mean that though?

Chersfrozenface · 01/07/2025 11:27

I’ve read a few books where they do a big tadum reveal right at the end where a female character is revealed to have been trans all along and no one could tell!! Cue big performative shock amongst the other characters because they passed soooo well.

And that'll be the reason those books are filed under "Fiction".

Canijustsayonething · 01/07/2025 12:37

mylittlekomododragon · 07/04/2025 19:44

@DialSquareit was frankly nauseating seeing a portrayal of a man knowledgeably discussing menopause symptoms while women lapped it up.

and it was the fact that a woman (TERF) in the story objected to the transwoman being in the group and they all ganged up on her and she was the one who had to leave the group!! That really made me cross. I'm planning on leaving a response on amazon to say how disappointed I was with the storyline. I've noted there have been a couple of people comment on this element of the story in their reviews.

PermanentTemporary · 01/07/2025 12:46

That’s really interesting, but no I mean the author knowing well that this is a character with a trans element but writing them so that it’s not part of the story.

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