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How Suzanne Wrack got caught up in a swirl of misinformation and double standards

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QAOPspaceman · 30/03/2025 18:19

Suzanne Wrack could have shed some light on Barbra Banda situation but in this piece she fails to discuss DSDs almost entirely, waffles about 'elevated testosterone levels' and then out of the blue starts talking about trans women, which conflates two different issues in exactly the same way many of Banda's abusers do.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/mar/29/how-barbra-banda-got-caught-up-in-a-swirl-of-misinformation-and-double-standards

"The unveiling of Banda as the BBC’s winner should have been a moment of celebration and it was, for herself, her teammates, fans, opposition players and the world of women’s football. But some – including JK Rowling and the former British Olympic swimmer Sharron Davies – used it as an opportunity to perpetuate a narrative about the involvement of trans and DSD (differences in sex development) athletes in women’s sport."
"Perpetuate a narrative" - presumably the fact that male advantage exists? Why does a journalist focused on women's sport dismiss this?

"In 2018 and 2022 Banda was not selected by the Football Association of Zambia (Faz) for either of the Women’s Africa Cup of Nations tournaments, organised by the Confederation of African Football (Caf). The Faz president, Andrew Kamanga, told BBC Sport Africa in 2022: “All the players had to undergo gender verification, a Caf requirement, and unfortunately she did not meet the criteria set by Caf.”
However, Caf said that it did not conduct testing on the player and that she had been withdrawn by Faz. BBC Sport has since reported that two sources told them that Banda did not take a gender eligibility test before the 2022 tournament.
At the time, her agent, Anton Maksimov, said she had not been banned or suspended by any governing body and said she had taken no tests. “She has not undergone and consequently has not failed any ‘gender verification’ or ‘gender eligibility tests’ administered prior to the tournament. Barbra is also perfectly healthy and fit.”
Multiple sources in a position to know have said the same to this reporter. Somewhere, someone was being economical with the truth and the evidence suggests that Banda, who was born and raised as a woman, is the victim of this misrepresentation of the facts."
Surely the evidence actually suggests that Banda, who has not taken a gender eligibility test and was 'born and raised as a woman' may have a male DSD. Taking a test - simple, uninvasive! - would clear this up immediately.

"Those most publicly affected by restrictions on testosterone levels in elite women’s sports have been non-Caucasian."
I'm sure she's right to suggest a lot of the athletes in question get horrific racial abuse. This is nothing to do with female testosterone levels, which may be higher in some ethnicities than others but are nowhere near male levels. By those "most publicly affected" by this she must mean athletes like Caster Semenya and Margaret Wambui who are, yes, non-caucasian but - crucially - have male DSDs and male testosterone levels. DSDs are far more likely to go unnoticed in poor, rural, often non-caucasian areas of the world until an athlete reaches international standard - there is racism in action here but not the kind Wrack thinks.

Then we get this sudden conflation with trans athletes:
"The reality is that the chances of a trans woman being able to compete as a top women’s football player, while not zero, are extremely slim. They would have had to transition at a very young age, gone through the development pathways and worked their way up to be at the requisite level, or would have to have been a relatively good athlete competing in men’s football before transitioning mid-career and then attempting to play in the women’s game.
What the hysteria over an almost impossible hypothetical situation does is open the door for transphobic and racist targeting of female football players"
The chances of a DSD male "born and raised as a woman" as Wrack says being able to compete in top level sport is extremely high, as anyone who saw the Rio Olympic 800m result would know (all three medallists male DSDs).
Otherwise the chances of an actual trans woman being able to compete is not an "almost impossible hypothetical situation" but just requires them to be good at the sport. She gives the game away by saying "a relatively good athlete competing in men's football" - she knows, deep down, that male advantage is real.

"For decades women have had to fight for the right to play sport and reap all the benefits – physical, social, mental, emotional – from it. Why on earth would we want to exclude trans people, some of the most marginalised in our society, from those experiences and benefits?"
All very nice and Be Kind. But if for decades women have had to fight for the right to play sport and reap the benefits - why on earth would we want to undermine the category they've worked so hard to establish?

Sorry for the screed. Here endeth the whinge. Poor old Barbra Banda - but if she does have a male DSD, that should be a female player there, winning the player of the year votes.

How Barbra Banda got caught up in a swirl of misinformation and double standards | Suzanne Wrack

We should be talking about how we help everyone enjoy sport, but instead players are being targeted in a dehumanising way

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/mar/29/how-barbra-banda-got-caught-up-in-a-swirl-of-misinformation-and-double-standards

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IllustratedDictionaryOfTheDoldrums · 30/03/2025 18:51

Those most publicly affected by restrictions on testosterone levels in elite women’s sports have been non-Caucasian
This really struck me. The actual women in those countries are the ones who lose out most of all. They don't get to compete or get selected at high levels because males with DSDs are taking their places in their home countries. It's fucked up and dishonest to use race to try force males into women's sports when it's black women who lose out most of all. Messed up.

GCITC · 30/03/2025 20:00

I find it really disingenuous when they bring up race.

Their colour has nothing to do with it. If it did black people with 'elevated levels of testosterone' would be found competing for the American, Canadian or British female teams.

This has nothing to do with the colour of someone's skin but the place in which they were born and grew up. It's about access to good healthcare and knowledgeable doctors. It's about not growing up in a place where DSDs are seen as a curse or whichcraft. All problems that can be overcome.

TempestTost · 30/03/2025 21:36

Yes, why is it that we are so sure racial abuse and racism is in fact part of this?

Because the only people I have heard mention anything about race are the ones trying to get male people into female sporting categories.

JanesLittleGirl · 30/03/2025 23:03

I believe that the correct description for Suzanne Wrack is professionally incompetent. I cannot believe that anybody can fail to understand everything on such a grand scale and then submit it to print.

MimiGC · 31/03/2025 19:43

That really was a poorly written article and I’m amazed any editor would accept it for publication. It literally doesn’t make sense unless you acknowledge and explore the DSDs these athletes have and understand that the reason many of them are African is because the health care systems there are underdeveloped compared to the West and their conditions are thus not picked up. It’s pretty straightforward, but not when you see everything through the lenses of transphobia and racism.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 01/04/2025 09:24

Banda was not selected by the Football Association of Zambia (Faz) [for the Caf competition]. The Faz president, Andrew Kamanga, told BBC Sport Africa in 2022: “All the players had to undergo gender verification, a Caf requirement, and unfortunately she did not meet the criteria set by Caf.”
However, [my emphasis] Caf said that it did not conduct testing on the player and that she had been withdrawn by Faz.
[...]
Somewhere, someone was being economical with the truth

That 'someone' is the writer. The 'however' is carefully used to imply that all the preceding info about not meeting criteria is a lie, because no test was taken.

There's a much simpler and more logical explanation. FAZ knew the criteria - and already knew Banda would fail. Taking the test and having a definitive result on record would put Banda's sex beyond doubt, not just for the Caf competition but for all other competitions. Avoiding the test left the door ajar for participation in other competitions that don't test (such as the Olympics).

CheekySnake · 01/04/2025 10:12

have male DSDs and male testosterone levels. DSDs are far more likely to go unnoticed in poor, rural, often non-caucasian areas of the world until an athlete reaches international standard - there is racism in action here but not the kind Wrack thinks.

I was under the impression that in certain countries, athletics scouts were actively looking for these boys in order to funnel them into female sports. The boy may have been incorrectly sexed at birth (and therefore have the necessary female paperwork) but the fact that they have a DSD is known long before they reach international standard. It's the reason why they're scouted in the first place, and the fact that they're coming from nations with little funding for sports shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, as it's the cheapest way to get an athlete on a podium.

TempestTost · 01/04/2025 10:31

CheekySnake · 01/04/2025 10:12

have male DSDs and male testosterone levels. DSDs are far more likely to go unnoticed in poor, rural, often non-caucasian areas of the world until an athlete reaches international standard - there is racism in action here but not the kind Wrack thinks.

I was under the impression that in certain countries, athletics scouts were actively looking for these boys in order to funnel them into female sports. The boy may have been incorrectly sexed at birth (and therefore have the necessary female paperwork) but the fact that they have a DSD is known long before they reach international standard. It's the reason why they're scouted in the first place, and the fact that they're coming from nations with little funding for sports shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, as it's the cheapest way to get an athlete on a podium.

I think there are strong reasons to think this may be the case. It still couldn't happen in a place like the UK where DSDs are generally identified quite early on, and the birth certificates are medically accurate.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 01/04/2025 10:57

Yes for something like 5-ARD it becomes clear to the person, their family and their community at or before puberty.

Hence Caster Semenya's school trip photo in swimming trunks. Or Imane Khalife being spotted by a boxing scout while playing football with boys, in a community where girls after puberty remain mostly indoors and certainly don't take part in mixed-sex sports.

NotBadConsidering · 01/04/2025 10:58

It’s amazing to me that someone whose job it is to be a female writer, writing about female sport, and to put female sport on a level publishing playing field at her media organisation which took forever to have any women writing about sport, would be so determined to put men in women’s sport at the forefront instead.

maltravers · 01/04/2025 11:12

NotBadConsidering · 01/04/2025 10:58

It’s amazing to me that someone whose job it is to be a female writer, writing about female sport, and to put female sport on a level publishing playing field at her media organisation which took forever to have any women writing about sport, would be so determined to put men in women’s sport at the forefront instead.

Selling women down the river on this issue is how you get on at the Guardian, so not so surprising, just disappointing.

maltravers · 01/04/2025 11:13

Sorry NotBad, that’s not an attack on you! But on female journalists who betray their sisters.

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