the white lotus, series 3 episode 5-autogynephilia clearly explained

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Anyone else seen this? The white guy in the bar talking about how his mind was so warped by casual sexual encounters with Thai women & porn he wanted to BE a Thai woman being fucked by other men as he wants to feel what it was like to be The woman....encapsulates so clearly what AGP is. I don't think I've seen this better portrayed anywhere else....

My AGP xH swears he isn't gay. In his fetish having sex with men means he's straight.

What? No? I am referring to the stories I have seen on TV over the years about men who cross-dress, and their wives. I never realised there was a dark side to some of these men until I read the multiple threads by transwidows. It does not surprise me that TRAs have tried to keep this away from wider attention, until now.

I felt so vindicated watching it. Just brilliant

Just watched the clip now.

That's excellent to see. It really does clearly explain it all.

It's a great way to broach the subject of autogynophilia with someone who may know nothing about it, because it leads onto many logical questions e.g.

1. do you think the character talking about this is a woman when dressed in the dress and wig that are described in the clip or do you think it's still a man (but a man in a dress and a wig)?

2. should the character be allowed to use women's changing rooms when dressed up in the clothes described in the clip?

3. does it matter if we have no idea whether the males who use women's changing rooms are doing it because the thought of being a woman, being watched by a woman (as described in the clip) turns them on? E.g. if they like the idea of a woman watching them undress and the fact that this might make the woman uncomfortable, as per the clip?

If the answer that comes back is a variation of "I don't know, it's complicated and I just want to support a marginalised minority", the only viable way of doing that without feeling icky/unnerved is to offer to back either a) additional third spaces, on top of single sex spaces or b) males in dresses and wigs using men's facilities without discrimination and fear.... and then feel a bit surprised when this is rejected.. and you're called a bigoted TERF for suggesting it.

I can't imagine too many woman saying that any male who identifies as a woman is a woman and any risk of a sexual element is irrelevant, if they've just watched a clip like that. Even Emma Watson might have pause for thought at the idea that trans people are who they say they are... and Daniel Radcliffe might just accept that perhaps J K Rowling does seem to know what a woman is after all.

(OK, Daniel is a lost cause, but then he can never be a woman being forced/coerced into watching)

Here is Out Magazine’s take on this episode:

https://www.out.com/commentary/white-lotus-sam-rockwell-autogynephilia-discourse-reaction#toggle-gdpr

Apparently, “Terfs are totally missing the point of Sam Rockwell’s White Lotus monologue”, then there’s a load of blah blah blah, culminating in:

“Rockwell was simply playing a single fictional character in a TV show. HIs monologue doesn't represent real life trans people. His character doesn't represent real life trans people. He certainly doesn't represent a widely discredited pseudoscientific theory from the 80s.”

That’s us told. By the way, the journalist doing the telling is one Mey Rude, a self-described transgender Latina lesbian. Can’t think why his cage would have been rattled by this episode, can you?

Did he read his own article?

It was a powerful and mesmerizing speech on the danger of indulging your wildest desires and the cyclical futility of trying to satisfy unquenchable urges on your own.

Perhaps he should try Buddhism.

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I wonder if we’ll get to see the character in his AGP splendour. That was be useful.

Ha! Of course it’s written by Mey Rude. 🤣

Queer? Has it got gay characters? I get it nay be done in a woke way if so, but it's even better imo to have gay characters & then show precisely how different trans is in comparison.

I’ve caught up on this now. A bit like how they want to show Adolescence in schools, I wish men had to sit through that monologue before watching trans or sissy porn videos and getting on the treadmill. Don’t do it boys, find Buddhism instead.

In a weird coincidence, sort of, Goggins played a gay trans prostitute in a few episodes of Sons of Anarchy. He did his usual sterling job in the portrayal.

I remember that, from about ten years ago. Played ott for laughs but became a sympathetic character iirc. Don’t know how it might stand up today as a cancelable offence or not.

Spotted something really interesting for the first time last night as I put Se7en on Netflix, in the opening credits where you see the killer slicing his fingertips, doing research etc, he is clearly at several points reading about autogynephilia.

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Interesting. It's a few weeks since this thread started and I've seen nothing in the media about it. Shhh... nothing to see here.

Venus Van Damme was the first time I saw Walton in anything, and I was transfixed!

The bit where he kisses Jax was not rehearsed!