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I was hounded out of publishing - I was persona non grata for publishing Material Girls

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IwantToRetire · 09/03/2025 01:42

In September, I will appear as the claimant at an employment tribunal, in which Hachette is the respondent. I resigned in April 2024 because I had found it impossible, for various reasons, to do my job.

Over the next few years, this kind of abuse became routine. I was called a terf, a transphobe, a bigot, a far-right conspiracist, a vicious bully, a racist; accused of having been radicalised online as though I were an 18-year-old incel, not a fiftysomething female book publisher; and told I was widely despised by my colleagues and everyone in the industry. These posts would copy in my employers and various staff networks at Hachette. They came from all sorts of people in and around publishing, some anonymous, some not, some who had themselves complained about being bullied online, and some with tens of thousands of followers. One of my most persistent critics was a self-styled publishing commentator who continued to be platformed by the industry at the London Book Fair and was appointed as a judge for the British Book Awards. She was in addition an enthusiastic advocate for a group of young people in publishing who set up a social media account, The Young Refuseniks, which they used to advertise their curation of a “blocklist” — crucially different from a blacklist, you see — which identified all the “transphobes” in the industry, so that people could be kept “safe” from us (because of course, I was on the list). After they realised that blacklists, sorry, blocklists, are considered somewhat problematic, the whole thing disappeared, but not before it had garnered a great deal of support from many in the business.

In May 2021, three days before the publication of Material Girls, the Bookseller published an “open letter” from a group of anonymous people in the industry who claimed that “transphobia” was rife in publishing. The three-page document was titled “The Paradox of Tolerance”: “If we are tolerant but ill-informed, tolerant with no limit and no moral compass, then the intolerant destroy inclusivity and persecute minorities. To maintain a tolerant society that moves with new understanding and broadens its language to include rather than exclude, we must be intolerant of prejudice.”

Start of a much longer article at https://thecritic.co.uk/how-i-was-hounded-out-of-publishing/

How I was hounded out of publishing | Ursula Doyle | The Critic Magazine

“I am going to dissect every word of this toxic TERF-y trash fire and call out the sheer irresponsible cruelty of platforming a notorious bigot with a release like this. @Docstockk is a [sic] infamous…

https://thecritic.co.uk/how-i-was-hounded-out-of-publishing/

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stargirl1701 · 11/03/2025 19:48

Plus ca change...

The Carnegie Shortlist was announced today. 'Homebody' by Theo Parish on the shortlist for excellence in illustration. Suggested reading age from the publisher is 14+

https://amzn.eu/d/3oVRLQl

Blurb as follows:

Hello! I’m Theo. I like cats, Dungeons & Dragons . . . and I’m trans and non-binary.

Ever since I was young, I’ve been on a journey to explore who I am. To discover the things that make me . . . me.

Sometimes it can feel like the world is trying to fit you into a box, to label you one way or another, but there is nothing more wonderful than finding your true authentic self, whoever you are. Whether you are transgender or cisgender, we are all searching for ways to make our houses feel like homes . . .

I was hounded out of publishing  - I was persona non grata for publishing Material Girls
I was hounded out of publishing  - I was persona non grata for publishing Material Girls
bubblerabbit · 11/03/2025 20:25

'the world tries to label you' says Theo, who conforms to the current fad for meaningless labels.

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 11/03/2025 22:34

Theo’s parents need to switch off the Wi-Fi and get her busy with anything other than pondering her identity.

suladoyle · 12/03/2025 09:56

stargirl1701 · 11/03/2025 19:48

Plus ca change...

The Carnegie Shortlist was announced today. 'Homebody' by Theo Parish on the shortlist for excellence in illustration. Suggested reading age from the publisher is 14+

https://amzn.eu/d/3oVRLQl

Blurb as follows:

Hello! I’m Theo. I like cats, Dungeons & Dragons . . . and I’m trans and non-binary.

Ever since I was young, I’ve been on a journey to explore who I am. To discover the things that make me . . . me.

Sometimes it can feel like the world is trying to fit you into a box, to label you one way or another, but there is nothing more wonderful than finding your true authentic self, whoever you are. Whether you are transgender or cisgender, we are all searching for ways to make our houses feel like homes . . .

The publishers of these books are spreading misinformation and acting so irresponsibly. Here is a guest post about children’s publishing after Cass on Julie Bindel’s blog that I wrote anonymously when I still had a job to worry about…open.substack.com/pub/juliebindel/p/publishing-and-cass-a-guest-post?r=510i&utm_medium=ios

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/03/2025 10:02

"My "gender" is neither male or female but it's a bit more like male"

Right.

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 12/03/2025 10:59

👆

No wonder young people are suffering from anxiety and other MH issues - this shit is coming at them from all directions including from some schools, from celebrities, from SM, from films, books….

It makes no sense to ANY of them but everyone around them is acting as if “gender” is as real as their arms or legs. I feel really sorry for the children this diabolical piece of brainwashing book is aimed at.

BulbousSpring · 12/03/2025 11:22

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/03/2025 10:02

"My "gender" is neither male or female but it's a bit more like male"

Right.

That's just based on stereotypes and analogies. 'I like football, have short hair and fancy women, and I don't like skirts or wear makeup therefore I must be male' rather than just a woman who is a buzzcutted, fresh-faced, trouser-wearing lesbian football fan.

KnottyAuty · 12/03/2025 12:24

Identity is a funny “thing” isn’t it. Mine is totally linked to my job/profession. And for a long time my old employer. I had a huge identity crisis leaving them to work for myself. Anchoring oneself to gender ideology is the equivalent to building a house on sand I’d have thought. A strong breeze and the whole lot comes down. What’s a more productive thing to hang on to? Sport? Music? Academics? Volunteering? Focussing so much on gender and about the self is too inward looking isn’t it?

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 12/03/2025 12:37

I don’t ever think about it quite honestly @KnottyAuty I don’t think my generation grew up worrying about having one or what it was. It’s driven by SM - the need for an online identity, for labels, tribes, to recognise if others are “in” or “out” of the same tribe.

bubblerabbit · 12/03/2025 13:23

The more I see of all of this, the more I'm also utterly convinced that it appeals to a certain type of person because it enables them to bully others without fear of punishment, and that's the true appeal of believing in this nonsense. I do not for one second believe that any of them actually think that they've changed sex/don't have a sex.

But you can bully other people for refusing to comply, and even better, when they point out that you're a bully, you can get them in trouble for that too. The power. It must be utterly glorious. You can have people absolutely walking on eggshells around you. You can send flying monkeys off to bully staff members you don't like, particularly if they're a bit older and female. You can rule with your pronoun rod and everyone will cave to your demands and it comes with the added benefit of being able to tell yourself that you're not just a shit of a bully, you're a morally good person.

I've seen it in my kids' school, I've seen it online, it's happening in workplaces.

Same shit as there ever was.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 12/03/2025 14:18

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 12/03/2025 12:37

I don’t ever think about it quite honestly @KnottyAuty I don’t think my generation grew up worrying about having one or what it was. It’s driven by SM - the need for an online identity, for labels, tribes, to recognise if others are “in” or “out” of the same tribe.

I saw an interesting post in the last few days where someone said that she would have been vulnerable to becoming trans if that had been a thing when she was growing up but instead she became a goth. You don't need a quasi-religious belief system to be a goth but I got her point.

AFLifeForLife · 12/03/2025 14:33

PrettyDamnCosmic · 12/03/2025 14:18

I saw an interesting post in the last few days where someone said that she would have been vulnerable to becoming trans if that had been a thing when she was growing up but instead she became a goth. You don't need a quasi-religious belief system to be a goth but I got her point.

I have said this before on various threads over the years, but I am 51 and if i had had the chance to identify out of the crap that puberty brings I would have done so. I was a sporty, horsey 'tom boy' and when I developed i developed fast. I got big boobs, big hips, big bum and I had no idea where my body started for a while. I clearly recall trying to squeeze between tables in a pub and knocking over a water jug because I had no idea where my physical reality was anymore. Went from a small and slight girl into someone that men used to leer at, and grab. Including a sleazy uncle who used to grab my arse and crotch at the age of 11 and say 'you are getting curves in all the right places'. And an English teacher who suggested I stay behind for 'detention' before I even hit high school Combined with starting periods at 10 and not being able to use tampons (because it turned you into a slut according to my mother) and so not being able to compete at swimming anymore or it all being obvious under my jodhpurs when i competed on my horses.

I used to pretend I was a boy. When I was not fantasising I had an older brother who would protect me. I cut my hair short, called myself a boy's name and stamped out as much of my growing breasts as possible with my horse's exercise bandages.

If I could have had all the golden promises of medication and the collusion of society to identify right out of that I would have taken it in a heartbeat.

I think most women can recognise that sort of background. Being a biological female truly sucks at most levels and phases of life. Not because we are biological female at it's core- but because being biologically female, it means we are subjected to such crap from society- and from men.

Sortumn · 12/03/2025 15:44

If I could have identified out of puberty I would have. As it is, I didn't fancy having periods and had heard that people who were underweight didn't get them, so my teenage brain thought that was worth a try. Thankfully I didn't succeed with that.
I didn't feel ready for clothes and makeup and boyfriends and always felt younger than the other girls as a result and therefore not like them because of it. My daughter is very similar but she really knows herself well and it doesn't phase her, plus she doesn't have the peer pressure I had.

SidewaysOtter · 12/03/2025 16:43

I would have been absolutely the same, I hated periods and all the stuff that went with them. I just wanted to carry on building dens and doing outdoorsy stuff. It terrifies me to think that 20/30 years later and I could have been transitioning and taking hormones etc.

Songsparrow · 12/03/2025 20:09

Gardened again! How many more times do we have to keep doing this before the madness ends?
And I haven't forgotten how Crowdjustice treated Alison Bailey so I always make sure to edit the tip to zero

KnottyAuty · 13/03/2025 07:00

Songsparrow · 12/03/2025 20:09

Gardened again! How many more times do we have to keep doing this before the madness ends?
And I haven't forgotten how Crowdjustice treated Alison Bailey so I always make sure to edit the tip to zero

Can you say what happened please?

Songsparrow · 13/03/2025 12:54

KnottyAuty · 13/03/2025 07:00

Can you say what happened please?

I can’t remember all the details but I remember they suspended her crowdfunder after receiving complaints about its nature. They did reinstate it (under duress?) but I think accompanied by a statement apologising for not having checked out her crowdfunder for wrongthink before letting it go live

SoftMyrtle · 13/03/2025 13:08

@suladoyle I just wanted to say that I (like many, many others) am right behind you and rooting for you. It is totally shit that this has happened to you and you shouldn't be in this position but thank you SO MUCH for fighting - your fight means so much to so many people. It must be very lonely and frightening sometimes but I hope it helps to know that you are doing the right thing and your courage is calling to courage everywhere.

Also I do an occasional job for people in publishing and I thought you might like to know that the seeds I planted for you came from Hachette... 😁

And you made me laugh with Naomi Cunningham's Very Strict Instructions. 😂 I think I might take that for my username when I'm watching your tribunal online (assuming remote access is granted, of course).

suladoyle · 30/05/2025 12:39

Hello dear gardeners, as you might have seen, I have settled my claim with Hachette. I just wanted to say thank you very much indeed for all your support, and your generous donations. I would never have got as far as I did without them. I am eternally grateful 🙏 💐

frogshat · 30/05/2025 13:12

Hope it was a good settlement and this makes them reconsider their treatment of so many women in the company. Good luck to you in the future, I hope to hear more great things

PachacutisBadAuntie · 30/05/2025 13:27

Congratulations @suladoyle and well done! Thank you for fighting on behalf of all of us and winning 💐

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 30/05/2025 13:45

@suladoyle we are all very proud of you for taking on this monumental fight. I don’t doubt it’s been incredibly tough to keep going. Brava and thank you for what you have done.

myplace · 30/05/2025 13:53

Well done! More power to your elbow, and those of other women in your position.

PriOn1 · 30/05/2025 13:55

Congratulations on the settlement.

How depressing though, that authors now have one less woman in the industry fighting against the extreme prejudice against authors who believe sex is real and matters. I wish so heartily that all this would go away.

suladoyle · 30/05/2025 18:38

Same!