Gay rights in Palestine.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_in_the_State_of_Palestine
Appears that they are non existent. How does anyone explain "Gays for Palestine?"

Yeah, I'm not sure on that one either! If I did attend a march then I wouldn't be doing so as part of a group. My best guess is that it suggests a broader solidarity, presents the image of a united front, which is an understandable goal for a support march. Otherwise I'd just guess it's representative of those who organised it, and it's named in the same way that you might find "Mothers Against Drunk Driving" or "Bikers Against Child Abuse." It doesn't seem out of the ordinary when it comes to activism and naming movements like this, really.

As I say, though, I really am just guessing on this one! Those ideas seem to make the most sense, though.

My son is gay so I have skin in this game. I appreciate the comment from the lesbian above but she would be doubly oppressed in a conservative Muslim society - forced to be married off to a cousin or relative. Never allowed to express her true nature as a lesbian. As always, the leftist response is "intersectionality" which is a rubbish response. I'm just watching the biopic on Amazon about Brian Epstein manager of the Beatles about the risks of being gay back in the early sixties and the penalties or beatings from police or random passers by it might bring. Heart rending.

I think that some of the participants in these marches were probably well meaning, but not very well informed. I do wonder what they imagine would replace Israel if it was destroyed. Certainly not a secular democratic state with equality for women and gay people.

It would be replaced with a choice between ISIS/Hamas and the PLO. I think I know who would win. In a way, I'd quite like it to happen so they have nobody to blame except themselves. Unfortunately, most of them would be making their way over to us on small boats.

Exactly. I think people don't understand what Islamism is like, even though we have evidence from Iran and Afghanistan.

I still don't think the people of Gaza should be completely exterminated by Israel, despite what Islam thinks of gays.

I don't think anyone on here has suggested that.

I'm sure there are many gay people who like the pp are broadly supportive of the idea of Palestinian political autonomy, or object to the current military actions against them, while being very aware of and disapproving of their position on homosexuality.

However, when I've seen people at these marches interviewed, they seem to believe in the "all minorities/oppressed people are on the same page" type of thinking. They truly don't understand, for example, when non-white people are Tories, as they believe that "non-racist" is an inherent characteristic of the left, and "racist" is a characteristic of the right - as in, right wing people decide to be right wing because it is racist and they agree with that.

As someone with very conservative Muslim relatives, and fully aware of their views on LGBTetc. (Some of whom rejoiced when Isis attacked the nightclub in Paris) I often wonder about the LGBTetc marching alongside Muslim pro Palestine protesters. I'm inclined to think that most of the Muslims there despise them and aren't inviting them back for tea at the family home after the protest is over. They're almost certainly not inviting them to the mosque for refreshments. Perhaps they see them as useful idiots. Anyone 'welcome' if it boosts the numbers. It's not just the middle eastern islamic regimes that hate them. Except for any non-practising moderates, the people they are shouting and chanting with likely hate them too.

Exactly!

Hmmm..I'm lesbian & support a 2 state solution. Gay people have often allied w those they see as oppressed, partly solidarity. I am for a moderate government in Palestine. Anyone supporting Hamas is delusional. People wonder why gay people would support those who want them dead. (Obvs doesn't apply to all the child civilian casualties).
I thunk the gay history of supporting other oppressed people is often good, but also puts us in danger of supporting extremists the way things are at the moment. A scary number of Gen Zers, bot just gay ones, think Hamas are freedom fighters! Just like 60s fanatics who liked the IRA & Ho Chi Minh!
Overall Israel are obvs good for gay roghts. It is worth noting that allegedly they have threatened to out gay Palestinians unless they comply w demands. I need to check what those demands were.

This... as I said I wish there could be a 2 state solution. At a minimum Israel needs to treat people humanely. It is v hard trying to find out the situation when idiots shout over everyone & misinformation is rife.

The only Palestinian lesbian group meets in Israel - Aswat. The full page makes interesring reading.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_in_the_State_of_Palestine

Or to use the stairs to go down

Whenever I see someone using "gays for Palestine", I think of this video; people just like to virtue signal without any thought:
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I think you have a very good point. A poster on another thread had colleagues who marched with banners saying "From the river to the sea", but when asked, couldn't identify which river or which sea. It's a complex geo political situation, it needs cool heads and determined planning, not simplistic phrases.

I don't know how anyone calling themselves progressive could justify the emaciated condition of the releaaed hostages and the pantomime around the coffins of the Bibas family. Let alone side with murderous homophobes.

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Very safe and completely missing the point. He wouldn't survive for ten minutes in Gaza.

That is a good, reasoned point which supports human rights, and one I would concur with , I don't just back people I agree with, nor because I have skin in the game as it were. How are you on gang rape of innocent women? I am not especially fond of Israel and think they should be out of the Golan Heights and the West Bank, however, ordinary people going about their lives in their own country were raped, burned, murdered, kidnapped on 7th Oct 23 (anniversay of the Battle of Lepanto against the Ottoman Empire, interestingly), including children, two of whom were recently returned home in coffins. I support their cause not to be murdered by their neighbours. I also support a two-state solution.

Maya Poet talks of gay friends in Palestine just not being around any more.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=2FSKq7Fs2IA&pp=ygUSSGVyZXRpY3MgbWF5YSBwb2V0

He can say what he wants; he's still practically a fascist, a gaslighter and genocide mastermind.

Because all struggles are interconnected. Gay people recognise that they are oppressed/have been oppressed in the past and therefore stand in solidarity with other oppressed groups, such as Palestinians. In terms of gay rights within Israel, the current hard right wing Israeli government is openly homophobic too, and have repealed laws relating to the protection of gay rights. Avi Maoz, for example, is both anti-LGBT and anti-Arab (Palestinian), so gay people are aware that their struggles with the Palestinians are interconnected. I have tried to attach a link below to an article relating to this (still trying to work out how this whole technology thing works!) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-63780509 Happy reading!

You can be openly gay in Israel. Fact.