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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A Woman's Body is not a Workplace

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Olderbadger1 · 24/02/2025 22:53

The Communist Party (who at least know what a woman is) are organising the above webinar on prostitution - and possibly also surrogacy but it's not clear ATM - ahead of the TUC Women's Conference and International Women's Day.
Tues 4 March, 19.00-20.30.
All are welcome and the meeting is free to attend but you need to register using this link: tinyurl.com/WomanBodyNotaWorkplace

Do we know of any other political parties who are unequivocal on this issue? Or trade unions? Or are they all happily clapping along to the 'sex work is work' cobblers?

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IwantToRetire · 25/02/2025 00:52

Thanks for the info, but cant find a description of the meeting, who will be talking etc..

But did find this. Really strange world we live in that the CP writes a statement that is virtually radical feminist!

CP Political Committee statement on the sexual exploitation of women and girls
https://communistparty.org.uk/2025/02/05/cp-political-committee-statement-on-the-sexual-exploitation-of-women-and-girls/

RayonSunrise · 25/02/2025 07:22

It's not particularly new, this "British communists taking a stand against gender ideology AND prostitution" business. I can remember when they first did it there was a lot of discussion in here about how strange it was that so many young "progressives" were so at odds with actual Marxists and communists. I think it was broadly agreed at the time that a lot of what was being promoted as "progressive" was actually far too market-driven (like lucrative, life long "gender treatments") or individually identitarian (like critical race theory) to appeal to old school communists.

None of this has stopped a certain faction of the new transhumanist right (a la Peter Thiel and Elon Musk) from banging on about "Cultural Marxism," though. I increasingly think they are deliberately trying to distract people from what they really want to achieve (which if you read about Thiel and Musk's enthusiasm for transhumanism is not conservative at all!)

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 25/02/2025 10:39

Really strange world we live in that the CP writes a statement that is virtually radical feminist!

And yet it should always have been! Communism is meant to support women’s rights. The strange, and ridiculous, thing is people claiming to be left wing while sabotaging women’s rights.

Edited to add, from the statement:
All reports make it clear that grooming gangs do not come from any one particular culture.

I note that even the CP still won’t face up to the fact that a disproportionate number of offenders come from ‘one particular culture’. For many years, police and other authorities were too scared of being called racist to investigate the abuse they knew was being carried out against large numbers of girls.

Why is racism more important than misogyny? What harm would accusations of racism have done to those men in authority, compared with the harm done to abused and tortured children?

WarriorN · 25/02/2025 11:42

This website sprung up a few years ago

onthewomanquestion.com/

Explores Marxism, feminism and social issues and is anti trans activism.

WarriorN · 25/02/2025 11:43

Linked to the RedFem podcast

RayonSunrise · 25/02/2025 13:27

@Hairyesterdaygonetoday, if that was actually the case there would be vanishingly little sexual assault overall because that "one particular culture" makes up less than 10% of the entire U.K. population. Focussing only on the grooming gangs to the exclusion of all else might please Reform, but does nothing to prosecute the majority of assaults against women and girls.

The point the CP is making is to look for the perps no matter who they are, not get so caught up on identity politics you choose to ignore the main problem.

TheSandgroper · 25/02/2025 15:15

Dr Suzanne Forbes Vierling (find her on YT) speaks on her studies on the many ways men make money out of women’s bodies. This includes prostitution, surrogacy, egg donation and the sale of placentas.

She is eye opening.

WarriorN · 25/02/2025 16:02

She is brilliant. The analogies she makes are so stark.

Olderbadger1 · 25/02/2025 19:06

The CP do appear to have kept a firm grip on a materialist analysis which is probably a direct route to understanding that all these issues - prostitution, surrogacy, reproductive rights, childcare, impact women as a specific class. What’s more weird is that other parties have abandoned this reality. Either way, more power to the comrades!

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Olderbadger1 · 25/02/2025 19:10

It says that speaker will be announced. I’ve signed up anyway since I’m keen to hear the arguments (and strengthen mine).

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IwantToRetire · 25/02/2025 19:17

Olderbadger1 · 25/02/2025 19:10

It says that speaker will be announced. I’ve signed up anyway since I’m keen to hear the arguments (and strengthen mine).

I've emailed them to ask, so hope to hear back!

(Its just I know that if I was to share a link that is just a zoom sign up, I would just get loads of comments about, but whose speaking, etc..)

Grammarnut · 25/02/2025 23:01

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 25/02/2025 10:39

Really strange world we live in that the CP writes a statement that is virtually radical feminist!

And yet it should always have been! Communism is meant to support women’s rights. The strange, and ridiculous, thing is people claiming to be left wing while sabotaging women’s rights.

Edited to add, from the statement:
All reports make it clear that grooming gangs do not come from any one particular culture.

I note that even the CP still won’t face up to the fact that a disproportionate number of offenders come from ‘one particular culture’. For many years, police and other authorities were too scared of being called racist to investigate the abuse they knew was being carried out against large numbers of girls.

Why is racism more important than misogyny? What harm would accusations of racism have done to those men in authority, compared with the harm done to abused and tortured children?

Edited

There are grooming gangs from one particular culture and area in the world, based on cultural assumptions about women. However, those gangs cannot be the only perpetrators. But fear of racism should not trump dealing with outright misogyny, whoever is perpetrating it.

Grammarnut · 25/02/2025 23:03

RayonSunrise · 25/02/2025 13:27

@Hairyesterdaygonetoday, if that was actually the case there would be vanishingly little sexual assault overall because that "one particular culture" makes up less than 10% of the entire U.K. population. Focussing only on the grooming gangs to the exclusion of all else might please Reform, but does nothing to prosecute the majority of assaults against women and girls.

The point the CP is making is to look for the perps no matter who they are, not get so caught up on identity politics you choose to ignore the main problem.

The gangs in question abused thousands of girls. That's quite a large proportion of sexual assualts.
The comrades, like others, are pussy-footing a bit. Altho' not entirely wrong - but latest similar gang of another ethnicity assaulted 4 children, not hundreds.

Olderbadger1 · 27/02/2025 16:24

In case anyone is thinking of going along to this, the speakers have just been announced: Mary Davis, Robyn Martin, Micaela Tracey-Ramos and Charlie Weinberg will form our panel. Chaired by Liz Payne. Should be interesting.

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