Why is MSM promoting this guide for school children that fails to acknowledge that sex is biological and "worthy of belief"

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Charity launches guide for parents of LGBT children to help tackle homophobia
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lgbt-jonathan-bailey-tiktok-leeds-bridgerton-b2703277.html

I know I shouldn't believe newspaper headlines, so (with some difficulty) tracked down the guide to https://justlikeus.org/lgbt-guide-for-parents/

Actual guide as a pdf file https://justlikeus.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/LGBT-Guide-for-Parents-by-Just-Like-Us.pdf

Am I over reacting to the content, eg the conflation of same sex attraction with a long list of identities. So no section on how to support a child that knows they are gay or a lesbian and are being bullied by TRAs.

LGB are definitely being ‘used’ by the T(RA). It’s disgusting.

For me the issue is that there is no guideance on how to support a young person who is confidently same sex attracted but is being told, bullied into having to accept that someone who is the opposite sex can "identify" into being the opposite sex.

Dont these people follow court cases.

Dont school, education authorities follow court cases.

They are clearly in breach of the rights of what may in fact be the majority of their pupils by pushing this unbalanced, irresponsible "guide".

Absolutely this. The conflation of transphobia and homophobia is, like a lot of trans stuff, not based on fact.
The difference between stating the fact that you are same-sex attracted, and stating the belief that you can change sex, is obvious to anyone who pays close attention to what words mean and what things are.

I had a look at Stonewall's website earlier today to see what their current line on lesbians is; there were an awful lot of photos of women [or 'women'] on the website, suggesting that they are now prioritising gay women.

Well they're not: lesbians are not even allowed their own category, or their own campaigns against, for instance, the epidemic of the 'corrective rape' and murder of lesbians in South Africa.

Instead, meet the new acronym:
'LBT+ women'.
In other words, same-sex-attracted women can only have only mixed sex groups. That sounds like homophobia to me.
LGB✂T

Dont these people follow court cases.

Dont school, education authorities follow court cases.

Honestly? The vast majority of my friends and colleagues who are teachers don't have a clue.

Which is why it needs to be explicitly embedded in statutory guidance.

Even the relevant part in kcsie is "should" rather than "must."

I know of schools and colleges that did not bother to update staff about the relevant changes to kcsie that cited Cass.

There is still a very deeply held belief among a lot of gay people that gender non-conformity = same sex attracted. I experienced it in RL recently, with a younger (30s) coworker who made it clear he assumes that all gay men are flamboyant (which he is - and delightfully so - but I personally know loads who aren't!)

I know we've asked these questions a lot on here, but I keep wondering why, as sexual orientation has become more open and accepted, has gender become so rigid and closed?

So many gay men and women have responded to increasing acceptance and normalisation by calling themselves "queer" (literally weird!) and doubling down on the idea that straights HAVE to have baked-in adherence to gender stereotypes. I think that's where a lot of these materials are coming from - this strange blind spot around the idea that sexuality and gender expression may NOT always be linked.

Fortunately the teens I know seem less wedded to the idea that sexual orientation and adherence to sex stereotypes ALWAYS have to go together. So maybe it's a millennial thing?

I'm also concerned about this group. There is an organisation called Place2Be that seems to be involved in an increasing number of schools and has resources like this:

https://parentingsmart.place2be.org.uk/article/helping-children-develop-positive-gender-identity

Place2Be signposts research done by JustLikeUs as justification for its programmes. https://justlikeus.org/blog/2021/11/25/research-report-growing-up-lgbt-bullying/

I am really wary of both. Am trying to decide how to approach school about my concerns.

I know of a gay men who have accused a straight male friend of mine of 'betrayal' and hiding in the closet because they are gender non conforming and comfortable around gay men. It's boggles my mind. It's like they want ownership of him and are pissed off that he's 'off limits'.

The gay guy is a well known grade A dickhead but it's still not cool. My friend has been very upset by it because his wife was called all sorts as part of this demonstration of weird reverse bigotry. His comment was he thought the gay guy crossed the line when he brought his wife into it.

All because my friend has the audacity to wear pink occasionally and be slightly flamboyant. He's happy. It's clearly the other guy who isn't.

Gay guy is a man in his 60s. Friend is in his 40s. No millennials to blame in this situation.

One of the people mentioned in the article is a non binary asexual lesbian. A woman who says she doesn’t want to be a woman but is attracted to women (but not in a sexual way). I imagine most children are completely confused.

@BettyBooper I'm aware of others' concerns with that org

My late DH was flamboyant, into all sorts of costumes, painted nails etc. The disappointment on the face of a gay man who'd wandered up to him - he was painting a fence outside our house - when DH introduced me!
Being gender non-conforming is not linked to being gay. I have known gay men who were flamboyant and others who were conservative with a small c (almost boringly so). Ditto women. Pushing that there is a strong link between being gender non-conforming and sexuality can lead to confusion esp in young people.

Thanks for this. They seem to be everywhere. I only became aware because they did a mental health week at our school and i did some digging. I think I'm going to ask the school to see resources....

And who are these guys?

https://www.proud2bparents.co.uk/wellbeing-resources

Initially looks like a friendly parenting group but is actually a training group giving advice about 'surrogacy pathways'. Are these all linked?

They lost me at ‘cisgender’ and ‘non-binary’
Already they’re presenting these words/phrases as a ‘thing’
I think we’re all aware - they’re sneaking in the T behind the LGB. And then pushing it to the front.
Reminds me of the Trojan Horse
I’d be objecting to this if it was happening at my child’s school. It’s along the lines of propaganda
And John Bishop???? What?

The good news is, that the tide is turning. It's a fairly slow process but it's gathering pace. I think things will go back to reality in a decade.

I feel sorry for the people who's children were young teens/tweens when this movement was at its peak about 5 years ago.

I don't know most of the organisations listed at the end as suggested sources of information. What I do notice is that there organisations which question the validity of trans ideology are not included - if this is supposed to be unbiased info they would/should be.

Meant to say 'there are no organisations that question the validity of trans ideology'. Can't edit to fix.😕

And also, who are these guys??

https://free2b.lgbt/ Some of the resources are seriously 😬

What is with the 2b? Place2B Proud2bParents Free2b? Are these all arms of the same org? 🤔🤨

By chance I saw the Morning Star appeared to be promoting this, but ...

Unlike MSM who have just basically used a PR statement to create an article the Morning Star has pointed out this "guide" has not been formally accepted by DoE who are "reviewing" it.

So well done to the Morning Star and shame on MSM. That they are so unprofessional only shows how easy it is for misinformation to be spread by them (and they point the finger at social media when they are just as bad).

So if any one knows who or how to contact the DoE and point out the complete failure of this "guide" to support young people who accept the biological realty of their sex, can you share.

Or maybe drop a hint to the Telegraph to write an article about it.

Honestly people go on about the BBC but they are all as bad as each other.