Knickers to knackers

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I propose from this day forth, we retire the phrase "put on my big girl pants" in favour of "put on my no-nonsense nurse's knickers".

All those in favour say "aye!"

aye!!! With bells on!

That sneaky comment was a glaring bit of misogyny.

Aye. Just don't get me started on that misogynistic and delusional pile of crap that was said.

aye

what is this in reference to?

Personally, as an adult professional, I could not imagine making any unnecessary reference to underwear in a court of law. Particularly in a case where the unnecessary airing of underwear is a key component.

Deliberate needling of the claimant, or a trip to Malaga?

Nurses knickers works for me!

I reckon that Upton thinks that in saying that Upton comes across as ‘just one of the girls’.

Whereas in using it, particularly for the act that Upton mentioned it in relation to showed just the opposite. And the brave woman was most assuredly Sandie P!

Dr Upton appropriating the phrase "put on my big girl pants" despite never having had a girl's childhood, and so never in reality experiencing the emotional significance of big girl's pants. I find it quite chilling, like emotional/experiential vampirism, invoking a shared experience he did not have from a history he did not live.

Speaking as a former nurse, I say aye!
And <vom> at a great big bloke talking about his "big girl pants"

The unfortunate side effect of using that phrase was that clearly Upton meant it as in “the grown-up-girl’s pants”; but instead it just called to mind a man wearing an especially large size of women’s underwear — presumably a mental image Upton would have preferred to avoid. Oh dear! 😆

Context matters.

It's interesting how the phrase hits differently when used by a grown woman, and when used by a man, especially in a formal setting like that of a tribunal.

He was trying to a be clever dick but the joke was on him. No woman would use that phrase in a court. He was keen to (over) associate himself with women’s underwear.
He isn't clever enough to realise that however in control and however powerful he thinks he is, when you say things like that they will get picked up on and judged on the accepted norms. People know he’s trying to incite and do it on purpose as he’s been calculated with his words so it just makes him look arrogant and male.

Deliberate needling of the claimant, or a trip to Malaga?

A twofer, methinks...

Fascinating discussion. I don't think Upton realises just how offensive the majority of the population found his comments and attitudes to women - let alone his claim that he's really a biological woman 😂
Having read countless press articles and the horrified comments from readers everywhere, he's done a massive service in highlighting the nature of demands transactivists make of women and girls: Full compliance, demure behaviour, instructions must be complied with and no boundaries are acceptable.
Doesn't take people long to realise that the NHS is essentially decriminalising flashing / indecent exposure and voyeurism.

I'm just grateful that he said pants and not panties. He's just the sort of creepy man that would use the term

I wonder how his mum felt about him using that expression, I hope she was listening in remotely as it was worse actually hearing it in use than reading it on paper. One of the few times I’ve been startled enough to gasp aloud.
I was in disbelief he was so arrogant enough to think it was acceptable and cocky enough to think he could get away it with. Pure trip to Malaga in plain sight and that was probably the thrill for him.

I was about to say that I'm not sure Upton even understands how it feels to be offended. I get the distinct impression his experience of "transphobia" is framed by the positive feeling of having power over others and the negative feeling of anger when his power is not respected by those he sees as less powerful and therefore expects to capitulate to him.

And then I thought that's probably true of - apologies for slipping into Omnicausese here but it is relevant - Default White Men in general.

They may be "offended" when they are not treated with the respect they feel is their due, but they do not experience the crushing feeling of helplessness and disempowerment that women feel when faced with sexism (and I assume Black people faced with racism, and in previous years but maybe less so now, gay men faced with homophobia) when you are faced with someone who has the social power to define your reality for you and despite knowing they are wrong in their statement/belief/action there is nothing you can do to change what is happening because anything you do/say in oppposition is de facto delegitimised by the very fact it is you doing/saying it.

All that is wrapped up into what women mean when they say "this is offensive" and I really don't think men understand that. They think we mean what they would mean, which is more like "that's a personal insult that shows lack of respect"

No-nonsense nurse knickers as opposed to delusional doctor drawers?

I don't think we should cede anything more, even phrases like "big girl pants". The more we cede, the more they colonize. There is nothing they won't coopt. They've invaded our spaces, mimicked our body parts, stolen our names. We're the ones losing our "existence", not them.

Bingo.

That is a really interesting phrase. It's not one I'd use. Doesn't it mean move on from nappies and start wearing pants? I know some women use it together or about themselves in a way that's useful for them but I can't help finding it odd. It's sort of like "grow a pair" or "man up" but really more like "take off the stabilisers". Something used for support is taken away and the person has to face up to reality. And take care of their own shit unaided...
I don't know what I'd replace it with. I just sort of say to myself "come on, it's time you stopped pissing about and took responsibility" which err doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

Grow up?
Roll up your sleeves and get stuck in?
Step up to the plate?
Face the music?

Maybe no-nonsense nurse knickers is the way to go.

Crack on.

But maybe there's something motherly about it. If I say it to myself with kindness.

Come on, it's time...

Not misogynistically or infantilising or appropriating.

No nonsense nurse knickers, eh!
I like it. What I've had rattling round my brain is -

It's time to be more Sandie.

Gird your loins would have been the original phrase.
I’m going with nurses’ knickers because big girls’ pants now has been tainted by that simpering eejit

That phrase when he said it made me feel nauseous, imagining him in women's underwear.
Bleeeeeuuuurgh.