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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Good source of balanced reporting on Fife case

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Gofastboatsmojito · 12/02/2025 17:00

Is the BBC's reporting on Fife balanced? If not BBC then can someone suggest a less biased media outlet reporting on this?

Thanks

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OneWaryCat · 12/02/2025 17:03

The BBC's reporting will be impartial but it may not be your own version of 'impartial' which is what people tend to judge a media outlets 'level of bias' on, based on how much they agree with what is being reported or not.

Gofastboatsmojito · 12/02/2025 17:26

I'm happy to state that i believe the BBC's reporting is objectively biased. The first BBC article I googled is here https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gx07xdpw5o

The vast majority of the quotes, including the leading para, are all from the male Dr's point of view and the entire article, while it contains facts, contains considerably more facts which are sensitive to the Dr's viewpoint and hardly anything which favours the nurse's.

Dr Beth Upton has long brown hair and has a slight smile. The medic wears a colourful scarf and a brown parka jacket

'I am only asking for basic respect' says trans doctor in NHS changing room row

A tribunal hears Dr Beth Upton denied being a man multiple times in a row over who can use women's changing rooms.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gx07xdpw5o

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TeenToTwenties · 12/02/2025 17:28

To be fair it is Dr Upton who has been giving evidence though?

Catiette · 12/02/2025 17:38

Indeed it is. The question is, what from this the BBC selects.

Recently, for example, there's been: DU's admission he "forgot" to disclose potentially key material, the claim that biological sex is nebulous, his belief in his right to examine a vulnerable woman who's requested a female doctor only - unless she's alert and brave enough enough to twig he's male and challenge him directly (whereupon he may perceive her as "aggressive" and "bigotted")...

We can't assume reporting of his evidence must, of necessity, be in his favour! The point of a tribunal is, surely, that your own evidence can expose the flaws in your position just as much as the other party's can.

Some (all?) of my examples above have been since the report linked above, but I'd be interested to know if the BBC has shared these details yet themselves - some other media sources have.

Certainly, the reporting I've read from the BBC thus far, as someone who's read all the abbreviated live transcripts bar today's (behind!) has seemed blatantly biased, to the point of wilful misrepresentation of information / actively withholding that is quite clearly in the public interest.

Hermyknee · 12/02/2025 17:43

Yesterday’s article is fairer but hasn’t got an author assigned to it. I saw the day before that the article did not have an author, but later one was attributed to it and the headline had changed to much less impartial. Twitter picked up on it too. I would proceed with caution.

NotAComputerPerson · 12/02/2025 19:02

Gofastboatsmojito · 12/02/2025 17:00

Is the BBC's reporting on Fife balanced? If not BBC then can someone suggest a less biased media outlet reporting on this?

Thanks

Is the BBC's reporting on Fife balanced?”

No.

Gofastboatsmojito · 12/02/2025 19:05

NotAComputerPerson · 12/02/2025 19:02

Is the BBC's reporting on Fife balanced?”

No.

Can you suggest somewhere with a fuller picture of the trial?

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NotAComputerPerson · 12/02/2025 19:11

Gofastboatsmojito · 12/02/2025 19:05

Can you suggest somewhere with a fuller picture of the trial?

There’s a link to an Evening Standard article in the thread about the tribunal.

Gofastboatsmojito · 12/02/2025 22:23

NotAComputerPerson · 12/02/2025 19:11

There’s a link to an Evening Standard article in the thread about the tribunal.

I'm really not trying to be irritating but there are at least 15 threads of 1000 posts each so any more pointers about which thread would be much appreciated

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Gofastboatsmojito · 12/02/2025 22:28

RoyalCorgi · 12/02/2025 19:09

The reporting in the Scottish Daily Express has been good.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/trans-dr-upton-would-treat-34658714

Thanks, link much appreciated

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Circumferences · 12/02/2025 22:41

Is the BBC's reporting on Fife balanced?

The BBC have proven themselves repeatedly, to be entirely untrustworthy on this issue (actually, loads of issues but that'll go off topic).

They've been guilty of using phrases like "her penis" and calling a male rapist a woman, everything else batshit you can think of the BBC have pushed. They've brought into the ideology and behind the scenes sacked people for not going along with the batshit crazy.

They have proven themselves to be completely and utterly untrustworthy. So I wouldn't even need to read a BBC article on this person (or Palestine ) to know it's all bullshit.

NotAComputerPerson · 12/02/2025 22:42

Gofastboatsmojito · 12/02/2025 22:23

I'm really not trying to be irritating but there are at least 15 threads of 1000 posts each so any more pointers about which thread would be much appreciated

Thread 15 (the current one) has got links to articles from about 5pm onwards.

Grammarnut · 13/02/2025 14:50

Gofastboatsmojito · 12/02/2025 17:26

I'm happy to state that i believe the BBC's reporting is objectively biased. The first BBC article I googled is here https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gx07xdpw5o

The vast majority of the quotes, including the leading para, are all from the male Dr's point of view and the entire article, while it contains facts, contains considerably more facts which are sensitive to the Dr's viewpoint and hardly anything which favours the nurse's.

He is giving evidence. He manages to come over as both tone deaf and entitled throughout. A doctor who thinks biological sex is a "nebulous term which doesn't really mean anything" is a bit of a worry, too. Does he not understand that e.g. women react differently to various drugs from men etc? If not, why not?

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