Eleanor Frances interviewed on Woman’s Hour

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I accidentally put this on the Start the Week thread . Eleanor Frances talking about her settlement after her experience with the civil service. Nuala McGovern has a distinct, flat, edge to her voice when asking questions, in contrast to a much more lively tone when starting the next segment. In my opinion, anyway.

Worth a listen - I happened upon it at the 10.20 ish mark

I caught the tail end on Woman's Hour.
Shocking that men will always placate other men and hope that women will put up and shut up.
Miss Frances got her full settlement and no nda so fairly cut and dried.

Interesting that the managers accused Miss Frances of being transphobic. As she pointed out a trans male would be welcome in a female space as they are biologically female.

It would be interesting to see statistics on trans men and trans women in regard to lodging complaints of discrimination.
I would expect transmen have a tiny percentage compared to trans women.

I thought this too OP, a complete lack of interest or empathy for a wider view point.

There was no recognition by Nuala that it is reasonable to acknowledge there are gender believers and non believers and that it is wrong to label non believers as transhobes.
I was gobsmacked when, after listening to Eleanor discuss the importance of impartiality of the civil service, Nuala suggested that some of Eleanor's colleagues could have been upset by the case, completely missing the fact that their upset should in no way override the impartiality of the civil service.

I thought Nuala came across as open to listening to Eleanor's experience. I don't think a question suggesting that people might be upset by Eleanor's position was necessarily wrong to ask and it allowed Eleanor to re-iterate this was about civil service neutrality and having the freedom to ask questions even if someone found the question upsetting. It is often an interviewer's job to put questions that other people might raise and allow the interviewee to state their position on that question.