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Graham Linehan lost defamation case

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Christinapple · 08/02/2025 19:48

Post from David Paisley on bluesky on Feb 5th. See also a summary screenshot of the statements.

bsky.app/profile/davidpaisley.bsky.social/post/3lhhcgpjkmc2c
"The High Court has ruled in my defamation case against Graham Linehan, finding that the statements he published were defamatory at common law. Huge thanks to my legal team for their support throughout this process. You can read the full judgment here:

caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ewhc/kb/2025/228"

Hopefully IMO this judgement along with the UK's Online Safety Bill should send a message and clear up any ambiguity that unfounded accusations made against gay or trans people may be defamation with legal consequences, and that platforms now have legal responsibility over the content they publish.

Graham Linehan lost defamation case
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Mittens67 · 13/02/2025 00:14

Tbh as soon as I saw the name of the OP in this thread I knew it would be the same old nonsense.

Bosky · 13/02/2025 03:47

Christinapple · 13/02/2025 00:02

Quote from one of the replies on the bluesky thread:

"The next stage would presumably be for Graham to provide a defence as to how his defamatory opinions were legitimately/reasonably founded, and as to what reasonable cause he had to believe the rest of his defamatory statements were factual."

So the onus would now be on Mr Linehan to prove the published statements? Is he able to do that?

My understanding from the ruling in David Paisley v Graham Linehan [2025] EWHC 228 (KB) is that the case does not relate directly to Graham's opinions, nor to any article that Graham wrote, but rather to three defamatory comments posted by someone else ("Ferguson") in reply to the transcript of a speech (by Ceri Black) that Graham published on his Substack:

"The Claimant now complains of only 3 comments"

https://caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ewhc/kb/2025/228#para_8

The comments were only visible for a matter of minutes before being deleted and Judge Eardley remarks:

"it is for the Claimant to prove whether the comments were actually published to anyone during any of the relevant timeframes."

https://caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ewhc/kb/2025/228#para_19

"If the party cannot establish that the material would have been seen by all readers who read the statement during the specified timeframe, it must be ignored."

https://caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ewhc/kb/2025/228#para_27

I think that the latter two parts of the ruling mean that the onus is now on Paisley to prove that anyone, apart from him, actually read the defamatory comments before they were deleted - but I am happy to be corrected.

It seems that the reason that Graham, rather than the person who commented, has been taken to court is that Graham has been identified as the "publisher", ie. in that the comments were posted on his Substack. Again, I am happy to be corrected as IANAL and I am just making the best sense that I can of the ruling.

However . . . hypothetically . . . I rather suspect that if defamatory comments had actually been posted by Graham, but on someone else's Substack, that Paisley would have elected to take Graham to court, ie. rather than the publisher of the hypothetical other Substack.

It will be interesting to see what happens at the next stage.

The first sentence of the judgement starts,

"This is my second judgment on certain preliminary issues in this case"

The first judgement was on 1 Aug 2024:

https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/KB/2024/1976.pdf

Now that the "preliminary issues" have been dealt with, my understanding is that the case will next go to trial to determine whether the comments caused Paisley "serious harm". Again, I am happy to be corrected.

Defamation, Libel & Slander in the UK

Serious harm

For a statement to be defamatory, it must be seen to have caused, or be likely to cause serious harm to the reputation of the individual it refers to.

This requirement of ‘serious harm’ was introduced in the Defamation Act 2013, and later court rulings have clarified the degree that meets this standard.

The decision on whether the element of serious harm is present in each individual case will be down to the court to decide but situations where it may be difficult to prove serious harm include, but are not limited to:

  • where the individual affected already has a ‘bad’ reputation
  • where the reach of the defamatory statement was very limited
  • where the statement criticises services or goods
  • where the statement was withdrawn, corrected or an apology was made
In the case of a defamatory statement affecting an organisation, serious harm can only be proved if the statement has caused, or is likely to cause, the organisation serious financial loss.

Publication

The defamatory statement must be expressed or conveyed to another person or persons.

www.lawble.co.uk/defamation/#elementor-toc__heading-anchor-5

There are usually a few lawyers hanging around FWR so hopefully one will pop by at some point and confirm, correct or clarify what is going on with this case.

seXX · 13/02/2025 07:53

It's interesting that @Christinapple is making assumptions based on a random reply from bluesky, while @Bosky has read and quoted the ruling. Very different approaches; I know which one I'm more likely to believe!

myplace · 13/02/2025 08:01

So, does this mean anyone who posts, blogs, whatever anywhere is liable for any comments on the articles?

That’s like holding the council responsible for the ranting of a drunk on a street corner.

I can’t imagine that will work well. We all know about bad actors and keyboard warriors.

RoyalCorgi · 13/02/2025 09:24

myplace · 13/02/2025 08:01

So, does this mean anyone who posts, blogs, whatever anywhere is liable for any comments on the articles?

That’s like holding the council responsible for the ranting of a drunk on a street corner.

I can’t imagine that will work well. We all know about bad actors and keyboard warriors.

Yes, it means just that. Which is one of the reasons newspapers tend to go in for heavy moderation on comments on articles.

Luckily, as Bosky points out, this is a preliminary ruling to say that the case by Paisley can go ahead, so we don't know yet whether, when it goes to trial, the court will find Glinner guilty of defamation.

Brokenrecordroundround · 13/02/2025 11:00

myplace · 13/02/2025 08:01

So, does this mean anyone who posts, blogs, whatever anywhere is liable for any comments on the articles?

That’s like holding the council responsible for the ranting of a drunk on a street corner.

I can’t imagine that will work well. We all know about bad actors and keyboard warriors.

On platforms that make it clear that you are responsible for moderating your own comments then yeah you're then liable for the comments. He could have just deleted the defamatory comment rather than leaving it there and replying to it especially given he makes clear in his replies that he is aware the comments on the post could be actionable if he didn't want to be held liable.

Given it's been found the comments were defamatory and Linehan's response shows he's aware he is responsible for moderating comments on his substack, I can't imagine it will work well to continue throwing money at fighting it.

Bosky · 13/02/2025 12:38

Brokenrecordroundround · 13/02/2025 11:00

On platforms that make it clear that you are responsible for moderating your own comments then yeah you're then liable for the comments. He could have just deleted the defamatory comment rather than leaving it there and replying to it especially given he makes clear in his replies that he is aware the comments on the post could be actionable if he didn't want to be held liable.

Given it's been found the comments were defamatory and Linehan's response shows he's aware he is responsible for moderating comments on his substack, I can't imagine it will work well to continue throwing money at fighting it.

Paisley still has to prove this:

Serious harm

For a statement to be defamatory, it must be seen to have caused, or be likely to cause serious harm to the reputation of the individual it refers to.

This requirement of ‘serious harm’ was introduced in the Defamation Act 2013, and later court rulings have clarified the degree that meets this standard.

The decision on whether the element of serious harm is present in each individual case will be down to the court to decide but situations where it may be difficult to prove serious harm include, but are not limited to:

  • where the individual affected already has a ‘bad’ reputation
  • where the reach of the defamatory statement was very limited
  • where the statement criticises services or goods
  • where the statement was withdrawn, corrected or an apology was made
In the case of a defamatory statement affecting an organisation, serious harm can only be proved if the statement has caused, or is likely to cause, the organisation serious financial loss.

Publication

The defamatory statement must be expressed or conveyed to another person or persons.

https://www.lawble.co.uk/defamation/#elementor-toc__heading-anchor-5

The "Publication" part is complicated because the judge has ruled that because the original comments:

  • were partly or completely deleted, all versions need to be considered as well as how long each version remained online
  • were modified by Graham's replies to them, both before and after comments were completely or partially deleted, then perceptions of the comments before and after Graham replied need to be considered
  • are not stand-alone but are comments on an article, they need to be read in the context of the article in order to determine how they might be understood by readers.
"I can't imagine it will work well to continue throwing money at fighting it."

I would have thought that Paisley should be at least as worried about mud being thrown as money.

By continuing with the case, he is inviting Graham to provide evidence that, among other things, he, Paisley, already had a "bad" reputation.

Brokenrecordroundround · 13/02/2025 13:15

Yes I'm aware of that but given the statements have been found to be defamatory (so Linehan has thrown money down the drain on trying to remove those claims) I think it's more likely that Linehan will lose if he tried to fight this further rather than settle and pay another year or mores worth of legal costs as well. He's spending other people's money though so he probably will carry on 🤷🏻‍♀️

Bosky · 14/02/2025 01:16

Brokenrecordroundround · 13/02/2025 13:15

Yes I'm aware of that but given the statements have been found to be defamatory (so Linehan has thrown money down the drain on trying to remove those claims) I think it's more likely that Linehan will lose if he tried to fight this further rather than settle and pay another year or mores worth of legal costs as well. He's spending other people's money though so he probably will carry on 🤷🏻‍♀️

He's spending other people's money though so he probably will carry on

Very kind of you to alert readers to this worthy cause in case they have not already donated! 💝

I believe that it is on Crowd Justice and is headlined, "I'm being sued by another trans rights activist".

Brokenrecordroundround · 14/02/2025 09:24

Bosky · 14/02/2025 01:16

He's spending other people's money though so he probably will carry on

Very kind of you to alert readers to this worthy cause in case they have not already donated! 💝

I believe that it is on Crowd Justice and is headlined, "I'm being sued by another trans rights activist".

Oh I'm sure they knew where to find it already, they better do anyway - the costs could be hundreds of thousands. No wonder Graham is flogging his things..

Christinapple · 15/02/2025 14:31

Bosky · 13/02/2025 12:38

Paisley still has to prove this:

Serious harm

For a statement to be defamatory, it must be seen to have caused, or be likely to cause serious harm to the reputation of the individual it refers to.

This requirement of ‘serious harm’ was introduced in the Defamation Act 2013, and later court rulings have clarified the degree that meets this standard.

The decision on whether the element of serious harm is present in each individual case will be down to the court to decide but situations where it may be difficult to prove serious harm include, but are not limited to:

  • where the individual affected already has a ‘bad’ reputation
  • where the reach of the defamatory statement was very limited
  • where the statement criticises services or goods
  • where the statement was withdrawn, corrected or an apology was made
In the case of a defamatory statement affecting an organisation, serious harm can only be proved if the statement has caused, or is likely to cause, the organisation serious financial loss.

Publication

The defamatory statement must be expressed or conveyed to another person or persons.

https://www.lawble.co.uk/defamation/#elementor-toc__heading-anchor-5

The "Publication" part is complicated because the judge has ruled that because the original comments:

  • were partly or completely deleted, all versions need to be considered as well as how long each version remained online
  • were modified by Graham's replies to them, both before and after comments were completely or partially deleted, then perceptions of the comments before and after Graham replied need to be considered
  • are not stand-alone but are comments on an article, they need to be read in the context of the article in order to determine how they might be understood by readers.
"I can't imagine it will work well to continue throwing money at fighting it."

I would have thought that Paisley should be at least as worried about mud being thrown as money.

By continuing with the case, he is inviting Graham to provide evidence that, among other things, he, Paisley, already had a "bad" reputation.

Well I'm sure we're all looking forward to Graham providing his evidence if the published statements were factual, some of the statements making extremely serious accusations related to what would be sex offences and pedophilia.

The specific statements and accusations mentioned on the caselaw link aside and talking just about reputation, you can't "prove" someone has a "bad reputation" just because they are disliked specifically in the gender critical community because they are gay and supportive of trans rights or because one feels vindictive towards them because someone notable for gender critical activism got charged by police a few years back.

Go ahead and donate all you want, no amount of money is going to make him win this.

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TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 16/02/2025 15:05

The only person thinking about this is you, Chris.

OhDearyDrearyMe · 10/09/2025 07:22

https://x.com/ScottishPEN/status/1363378001031942150 is a fascinating 2021 thread about David Paisley in which they refer to his tweets but no link to his X account, does anyone here know it?

https://x.com/ScottishPEN/status/1363378001031942150

OhDearyDrearyMe · 10/09/2025 07:26

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OhDearyDrearyMe · 10/09/2025 07:40

Christinapple · 15/02/2025 14:31

Well I'm sure we're all looking forward to Graham providing his evidence if the published statements were factual, some of the statements making extremely serious accusations related to what would be sex offences and pedophilia.

The specific statements and accusations mentioned on the caselaw link aside and talking just about reputation, you can't "prove" someone has a "bad reputation" just because they are disliked specifically in the gender critical community because they are gay and supportive of trans rights or because one feels vindictive towards them because someone notable for gender critical activism got charged by police a few years back.

Go ahead and donate all you want, no amount of money is going to make him win this.

& that is quite obviously why, despite Linehan seemingly begging JK Rowling to fund his legal case, she is not, even though she appears to support him. I agree with all you say. Someone tweeted Linehan is a Millionaire so why is he resorting to begging for money? I wonder how much he sold his business for

OhDearyDrearyMe · 10/09/2025 07:43

www.iftn.ie/news/FinanceNews/?act1=record&only=1&aid=73&rid=4285229&tpl=archnews&force=1 Linehan sold his business this year, so why resort to begging for his legal expenses. Linehan sold his business to former BBC1 controller Lorraine Heggessey’s UK-based Boom Pictures.

spannasaurus · 10/09/2025 07:48

OhDearyDrearyMe · 10/09/2025 07:43

Edited

That article is from 2012.

SerendipityJane · 10/09/2025 09:49

spannasaurus · 10/09/2025 07:48

That article is from 2012.

Presumably another "AI" fail ...

RedNine · 10/09/2025 10:59

@OhDearyDrearyMe I am cringing for you. So desperate, luckily us dried up cynical old hags see you.

ThatBlackCat · 10/09/2025 12:20

RedNine · 10/09/2025 10:59

@OhDearyDrearyMe I am cringing for you. So desperate, luckily us dried up cynical old hags see you.

Only 4 posts to their name and all only on this thread. Interesting....

DialSquare · 10/09/2025 12:32

OhDearyDrearyMe · 10/09/2025 07:22

https://x.com/ScottishPEN/status/1363378001031942150 is a fascinating 2021 thread about David Paisley in which they refer to his tweets but no link to his X account, does anyone here know it?

Edited
the walking dead zombie GIF

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SabrinaThwaite · 10/09/2025 12:37

Gosh and dearie me. That’s all I have to say.

nauticant · 10/09/2025 13:36

SerendipityJane · 10/09/2025 09:49

Presumably another "AI" fail ...

But a win for nominative determinism.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/09/2025 14:10

@nauticant 🤣

flopsyuk · 10/09/2025 14:46

The heading here is misleading and I wonder if the poster would consider changing it?

It clearly states at the start that it is the 2nd judgement of preliminary issues. No one has won or lost the case yet if that is the latest news.

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