Judges advised it's inappropriate to use opposite sex pronouns for sexual and violent offenders.

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Article in the Telegraph. 'Typically, it should be unproblematic to refer to those who appear in court however they wish to be referred to,” the missive from the Judicial Office stated.
“The updated version of the English and Welsh ETBB makes clear that in some cases however it may not be appropriate, or may even be extremely inappropriate, for the judge to use a defendant’s preferred pronouns, for example, in cases of violent or sex crimes by a transgender perpetrator.”
In further guidance, judges were told to stop using the preferred pronouns of trans people in cases that hinge on the recognition of a person’s biological sex in order to avoid appearing biased.

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In further guidance, judges were told to stop using the preferred pronouns of trans people in cases that hinge on the recognition of a person’s biological sex in order to avoid appearing biased.

Ooh. This is big.

I should imagine the BBC will write about how afraid and upset this makes Dr Beth Upton at such a critical and vulnerable time.

Why is it only permitted to acknowledge reality when sex crimes are committed? I would interested to hear how the logic of that is justified?

Thanks for posting the link OP!

Okay, so it’s no use of opposite sex pronouns for males committing sexual assault and domestic violence in criminal courts as well as noting that use of pronouns in certain cases gives the appearance of bias.

And in family courts:

”There has been an increasing number of some Family Court cases, in which parents are in legal dispute over their children being allowed to change gender, where judges’ use of preferred pronouns may suggest a bias to one party over another.

Judges are advised instead to use the name of the trans person or refer to them with the gender-neutral pronoun of “they” to help “minimise offence”.”

This change in advice to judges is definitely a good start and let’s hope that it is only the beginning of removing genderist ideology from the law and the courts.

This is really great news!

This sounds like a positive step, a tiny baby step, but at least it's in the right direction. Inch by inch, we will get it all back.

Agree. A tiny baby step, which should have been taken ages ago (actually should never have been needed…), and yet also a watershed moment in acknowledging that reality matters.

Does anyone know whether "violent crimes' include all violent crimes or just domestic violence?

What would be the situation with a Scarlet Blake?

I know I should look in the actual ETBB, if it's available, but I don't really want to clog up my phone with the entire thing.

This makes it sound as though it's rare for the crimes that trans people commit to be violent or sexual in nature.

But the government figures show that almost three quarters of the trans people currently in prison in the UK have committed sexual or violent crimes. It's precisely because we have years of evidence that show men who identify as women don't act like us, that we don't want them in our spaces.

More than 70 per cent of transgender prisoners are in for sex offences or violent crimes

Hopefully his link to the article works: Archived article.

From the Telegraph article:
"More than 70 per cent of transgender prisoners in British jails are serving sentences for sex offences and violent crimes, government figures have revealed.
At least 181 of the 244 transgender inmates, more than 74 per cent, are in jail for crimes including rape, forcing under-age children into having sex, grievous bodily harm and robbery.
Up to 144 transgender women, men who identify as females, are housed in male prisons while five are currently imprisoned in female jails - including at least one top-security institution where murderers and terrorists are being detained.
The high levels of violent crimes among male prisoners who identify as women demonstrates why they should not be detained in female prisons, women’s rights campaigners argue."

That’s a really big change, the trans chapter of the ETBB used to read like it was written by stonewall, it was outrageous

I think it's inappropriate to use opposite sex pronouns for any man.

Ooocooo! I bet Bundlejuice and (former) Judge McC are smarting today!

Sure but that number obviously includes those suffering from Prison Onset Gender Dysphoria. Or in other words, yes there's a correlation but the direction of causality is yet to be determined. We could simply be dealing with a bunch of opportunists.

And that is the nub of the issue. Any opportunist can be trans. There is no objective test for being trans. As such, it should not be accomodated in law or policy.

Yes me too. It's almost as if it has something to do with biological sex...🤔