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Of your a trans actor your racist tweets should be forgiven because your vulnerable and it's all so complicated

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mids2019 · 08/02/2025 07:04

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/feb/07/karla-sofia-gascon-emilia-perez-pr-tactics-ethics

Long article but the premise seems to be that being trans may mean you are particularly vulnerable and therefore not particularly politically astute. What may have been a quite reasonable distancing from an actor because of racism is portrayed a a witch hunt and the criticism of the actor should be reduced because of mental health concerns.

I think Hollywood maybe has dug a hole for itself on this one.

‘They chucked her under the bus – then reversed it back over her’: has the Emilia Pérez backlash gone too far?

Karla Sofía Gascón’s precipitous fall from Oscars frontrunner to industry pariah has left many in Hollywood rethinking their tactics – and questioning their ethics

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/feb/07/karla-sofia-gascon-emilia-perez-pr-tactics-ethics

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NonCrimeHakeIncident · 08/02/2025 11:42

The tweets are from 2020 onwards, long after cancellations for tweets had started. You’d think they’d have known better, but I imagine self-awareness isn’t a strong point.

Just the other week there was a case where a TW NHS worker had been sacked for racism. I wonder whether it’s a bug or a feature.

bitteroldseetrouts · 08/02/2025 12:35

NonCrimeHakeIncident · 08/02/2025 11:42

The tweets are from 2020 onwards, long after cancellations for tweets had started. You’d think they’d have known better, but I imagine self-awareness isn’t a strong point.

Just the other week there was a case where a TW NHS worker had been sacked for racism. I wonder whether it’s a bug or a feature.

From a lobby that tries to argue that transwomen are a subsection of women like women of colour are (as if woc have have to convince anyone to be regarded as biological women) I'd say there's an inherent streak of racism in their movement. On a subjective note, they are just hugely entitled men who are used to being able to say/do what they want without consequences.

CuriousAlien · 08/02/2025 19:38

I suppose it shouldn't be surprising that Hollywood chews people up and spits them out. I think both articles (and the BBC one) make an interesting collection. What a strange world.

Has anyone seen Johanne Sacrebleu yet? I haven't seen it all but the bit I did see was genius. It reminded me of Days of Boyhood.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 08/02/2025 20:40

Let us not forget that all of these people are for the most part narcissists, obsessed with their own careers, insanely jealous of others, including the ones who cry and sob about "causes" on their Instagram or Ticktock feed. What is especially telling is how quickly they turn on each other in an effort to cover their asses. Supposedly, the trans identified male was lauded as brave etc by these same back stabbers.

DojaPhat · 08/02/2025 22:35

Plasmodesmata · 08/02/2025 07:49

I read that yesterday and thought the Guardian wouldn't have said that if the actor in question had been a woman of the old fashioned variety.

No, it would have been a lot more along the lines of 'people make mistakes and they learn and grow' with a picture of said woman looking woeful. Someone somewhere would have started a hashtag campaign about stopping the 'bullying' said woman is enduring. A woman of the old fashioned variety would have found herself forgiven, praised and shielded from a single material consequence.

zanahoria · 08/02/2025 22:38

"But what’s really horrifying to me is that the most vulnerable person in the film"

And the Oscar for the most vulnerable person in a film goes to ... Karla Gascon

Chersfrozenface · 09/02/2025 02:24

DojaPhat · 08/02/2025 22:35

No, it would have been a lot more along the lines of 'people make mistakes and they learn and grow' with a picture of said woman looking woeful. Someone somewhere would have started a hashtag campaign about stopping the 'bullying' said woman is enduring. A woman of the old fashioned variety would have found herself forgiven, praised and shielded from a single material consequence.

Ahem, Gina Carano.

HPFA · 09/02/2025 07:14

newrubylane · 08/02/2025 09:51

What a brilliant article.

If anyone's mad enough to be following the Ian Dunt/Janice Turner blow up on Bluesky it demonstrates it perfectly.

SereneCapybara · 09/02/2025 07:17

Chersfrozenface · 08/02/2025 07:57

Gina Carano, an actress, was sacked from The Mandalorian for a tweet.

The Graun didn't defend her. In fact it laid into her recently when it was announced that she was suing Disney and Lucasfilm.

But of course she's an actual woman.

The Guardian is a hotbed of misogyny. I loathe that paper.

GrammarTeacher · 09/02/2025 07:21

mids2019 · 08/02/2025 07:04

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/feb/07/karla-sofia-gascon-emilia-perez-pr-tactics-ethics

Long article but the premise seems to be that being trans may mean you are particularly vulnerable and therefore not particularly politically astute. What may have been a quite reasonable distancing from an actor because of racism is portrayed a a witch hunt and the criticism of the actor should be reduced because of mental health concerns.

I think Hollywood maybe has dug a hole for itself on this one.

It’s odd to me that the press are playing it this way. The circles I move in are not of the opinion that being trans makes you a faultless person. You can be trans and racist. And racism shouldn’t be supported.
The press seem to be making it into a black and white issue.
Perhaps a lesson here about ‘Culture War’ reporting. Reality continues as ever.
Am I rash to hope this will lead to more sensible conversations, probably.
But, being part of a protected group doesn’t mean you’re not bigoted towards others. As the last government reminded me on a daily basis.

Anyway, even though I disagree with many people on this board, surely we all agree that racist comments are bad and being trans isn’t an excuse.

Now to get the press to realise this (looking at various celebs saying they do awful things because they’re autistic).

Ridelikethewindypops · 09/02/2025 07:24

He's not the Messish, He's a very naughty boy

HPFA · 09/02/2025 07:29

scandalot · 08/02/2025 10:54

So..is Marina Hyde GC now?

Doesn't say in this article.

Which I'm glad about. The point she's making is broader than that and brilliantly expressed and everyone on the left especially should be thinking about it.

It's like Marina's written the equation and then we all test our beliefs against it but the equation itself is neutral.

Hope that makes sense!

TiredCatLady · 09/02/2025 07:41

Racist, islamophobic, misogynist who happens to be trans, moans to the media about being “a victim of cancel culture” and the media are somehow sympathetic. I genuinely can’t wrap my head around the mental gymnastics needed to somehow give this person a “pass”.

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 09/02/2025 07:49

There's a predictably on the nose article by Julie Birchill on the Speccie website this morning.
www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-spectacular-implosion-of-the-oscars-first-trans-nominee/ www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-spectacular-implosion-of-the-oscars-first-trans-nominee/]]]]

AlbertCamusflage · 09/02/2025 08:01

I really liked Marina Hyde's article, but it was absolutely surreal to see how deeply coded and obscured her language had to be.
She was clearly gesturing at the idea that is was ok to have concerns about the possible difficulties with the 'left's' conceptualisation of trans rights even though the right has colonised and exploited this issue. That it was ok to have some small fragment of opinion that didn't contradict Trump - just like it is ok for a working clock to say the same time as a stopped clock twice a day.
But it was so deeply hidden. Because she doesn't want to get beaten down by a tsunami of hostility, from her colleagues and on social media.

NotBadConsidering · 09/02/2025 08:11

And not open for comments either. Not all of her articles are but most are.

PenneyFouryourthoughts · 09/02/2025 09:44

@Chersfrozenface you raise a vital point. Carano wrote some right-wing Twitter posts, as is her want and right. This chap did the same, and somehow because he wants to be seen as a woman and vulnerable, he's off the hook. Carano got fired by the Disney company, and her acting career is in tatters. The only difference being, the sex the two were born into. Male privilege is still a privilege, even if the man "identifies" as a woman.

Thelnebriati · 09/02/2025 09:51

I think this is about more than special sacred casts but I'm not sure I'm going to be able to explain it. Its about how there cannot be any accountability in a society that decides who is good and who is bad, based on which way the wind is blowing.
Its not that wrong doers have to be forgiven, because those acts are terrible and unforgiveable; its about how those societies have to learn to look the other way instead of using 'normal' justice procedures.
I know what I'm trying to describe but I don't think I've made a very good job of it.

Datun · 09/02/2025 10:16

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 09/02/2025 07:49

Edited

They added with a quite staggering level of self-pity: ‘I believe I have been judged, I have been convicted and sacrificed and crucified and stoned without a trial and without the option to defend myself.’ Get you, Joan of Arc! Still, now you have an inkling of how numerous women feel after being driven from their livelihoods and careers because they refused to repeat the lie that men can be women.

Quite refreshing to see somebody say ha! now you know what it's like.

I also wonder what would've happened if Gascon had been nominated in the male category. It's the lie that is getting to people.

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