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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Children’s Hospital Los Angeles pauses new hormone initiation for children

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NotBadConsidering · 05/02/2025 00:11

This is where Johanna Olson Kennedy works. She is a prolific child transitioner, and was interviewed in the NYT where she stated she was worried about negative outcome data being “weaponised”. Big development.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-02-04/childrens-hospital-to-stop-initiating-hormonal-therapy-for-trans-patients-under-19

The Children's Hospital Los Angeles is seen from Sunset Blvd. in on  Dec. 9, 202.

Children's Hospital L.A. stops initiating hormonal therapy for transgender patients under 19

Children’s Hospital Los Angeles, a major provider of care for transgender youth, says it is pausing the initiation of hormonal therapy for gender-affirming care patients under 19.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-02-04/childrens-hospital-to-stop-initiating-hormonal-therapy-for-trans-patients-under-19

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Chersfrozenface · 05/02/2025 00:47

Anything to do with the section in the Executive Order I've quoted below?

"(d) in consultation with the Congress, work to draft, propose, and promote legislation to enact a private right of action for children and the parents of children whose healthy body parts have been damaged by medical professionals practicing chemical and surgical mutilation, which should include a lengthy statute of limitations; "

It's not legislation yet, and there's no guarantee it would be passed even if proposed. But just the mere possibility of "a private right of action" and "a lengthy statute of limitations" may have been enough to spook the hospital management.

IwantToRetire · 05/02/2025 02:09

Chersfrozenface · 05/02/2025 00:47

Anything to do with the section in the Executive Order I've quoted below?

"(d) in consultation with the Congress, work to draft, propose, and promote legislation to enact a private right of action for children and the parents of children whose healthy body parts have been damaged by medical professionals practicing chemical and surgical mutilation, which should include a lengthy statute of limitations; "

It's not legislation yet, and there's no guarantee it would be passed even if proposed. But just the mere possibility of "a private right of action" and "a lengthy statute of limitations" may have been enough to spook the hospital management.

Yes that's what the articles I posted links to are saying.

There will be legal challenges to his EO.

They are just acting to "comply" until the legal challenges are heard.

Probably the whole of Trump's next 4 years will be taken up with legal challenges.

Let alone the invasion of privacy that Musk has carrred out by letting 4 of his juvenile male employees take computer records of people in receipt of state welfare etc., which could result in other court cases.

The only one that will probably not be legally challenge is USAID where women's health programmes have been stopped abruptly. Who will sue on behalf of these women.

NotBadConsidering · 05/02/2025 03:00

I think it’s still speculative as to the reason. The EO might be a nudge, but Olson Kennedy is also being sued by a detransitioner (Clementine) and even though she has refused to publish her data, it’s likely it shows no evidence of benefit. The managers of the hospital have probably seen that data.

It’s another domino to fall.

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Norwayspell · 05/02/2025 07:06

NotBadConsidering · 05/02/2025 03:00

I think it’s still speculative as to the reason. The EO might be a nudge, but Olson Kennedy is also being sued by a detransitioner (Clementine) and even though she has refused to publish her data, it’s likely it shows no evidence of benefit. The managers of the hospital have probably seen that data.

It’s another domino to fall.

I agree, it's still speculation. From the Economist article on Clementine, though, it seems clear that O-K has lied and the case is very strong. I think between Cass, what has been uncovered on WPATH pretending to work in an evidence based manner, the risk of longer statute of limitations, probably some hospitals will use the EO as an excuse to distance themselves from gender affirmation, and this won't be reversed. Or maybe I'm too optimistic?

Ingenieur · 05/02/2025 07:13

But what of the genocide of the trans kids? Why aren't they fighting against it!

IwantToRetire · 05/02/2025 17:55

I think it’s still speculative as to the reason

Well the reality is that many other hospitals are doing this because of the EO and would say they are also doing this.

IwantToRetire · 05/02/2025 17:57

Have just found this statement from the hospital:

Children’s Hospital Los Angeles announced that it is pausing the start of transgender hormonal therapy for patients under the age of 19.

In a statement issued Tuesday, hospital officials said they are suspending the care to assess an executive order signed last week by President Trump banning the use of hormones, puberty blockers and other transgender medical procedures on minors.

“It is the policy of the United States that it will not fund, sponsor, promote, assist, or support the so-called ‘transition’ of a child from one sex to another, and it will rigorously enforce all laws that prohibit or limit these destructive and life-altering procedures,” a portion of the order reads.

https://ktla.com/news/california/childrens-hospital-los-angeles-pauses-transgender-hormonal-therapy-initiation-for-minors/

Which by the way I dont understand as I thought EO only covered use of federal money and didn't think hospitals got federal funding.

But I am not in the US and accept I dont understand the system.

DeanElderberry · 05/02/2025 18:40

I think stretching the statute of limitations, and putting the wind up the insurance companies, between them, have the industry running scared. For now.

NotBadConsidering · 05/02/2025 20:26

Which by the way I dont understand as I thought EO only covered use of federal money and didn't think hospitals got federal funding.
But I am not in the US and accept I dont understand the system.

Which is why it’s still speculative. The EO is the perfect get out clause for them. Blame that, blame Trump.

“It’s the nasty orange man who’s stopping trans kids getting sterilised hormone treatments, it’s not the fact we’re shit scared we’ve been doing the wrong thing for years and are worried about the legal implications of lawsuits, oh no, it’s definitely not that! [whistling casually]”

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IwantToRetire · 05/02/2025 21:10

Have just seen it isn't direct funding but because they receive payment through medicaid and medicare (up to 50%) of their revenue.

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