Fine Gael drop WPATH

[Seriestwo]

https://x.com/paddyjogorman/status/1885974624007004541?s=46

Another group distance themselves from zwPATH. The eunuch files by Genevieve Gluck weren’t enough for action but Trump is?

as an aside, paddy’s podcast has some interesting interviews from voices we rarely hear. Worth a listen, link is on his Twitter.

ooooooooooh!

Paddy O'Gorman is a hero, giving a voice to silenced women.

For non-Irish readers, Fine Gael is one of the 'establishment' parties in Ireland which have been in power in coalition for ages.

ALL the Irish political parties fell hook line and sinker for gender ideology including a self-ID Gender Recognition Act, from centrist parties like FG to leftist parties like People Before Profit, and the centre-leftish Sinn Féin. Falling over themselves to back trans rights.

This happened in the 'aren't we wonderfully liberal at last?' afterglow of the success of the Marriage Equality referendum, when it seemed very cringe-y and bad old days and old-fashioned to deny rights to anybody who was asking for them, regardless of merits or demerits.

Of course, this was jumped on by the Dentons-inspired TRAs, it was the perfect opportunity to add the 'T' to the 'LG'- the Irish lesbian and gay community who had campaigned for decades for equal rights.

What followed was the eclipse of lesbian and gay issues by all things 'T' in LGBT, and the lesbian and gay community finding itself 'force-teamed' with the excesses of the TRAs.

Grassroots opposition to genderwoo has finally filtered through to the politicians, and in the last General Election it was very noticeable that previously prominent 'transgender rights' 'most marginalised group' etc statements no longer appeared in election material. And now this welcome step in the right direction, reported by Mark Tighe:
Government drops previous plan to let under-16s legally change genders | Irish Independent

Unfortunately for the reverse-weasel-ing politicians, their wall-to-wall pro-trans comments are recorded in parliamentary debates and committee proceedings.😁

@Seriestwo could you post that here https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/craicnet/5194798-gender-critical-in-ireland-part-4

I think a lot of people from that thread will be relieved at this little glimpse of returning sanity

I'm inclined to think the Irish legal position started to be firmed up long before that with the Lydia Foy case and that many ambitious politicians who either didn't know or didn't care how different genderism is from all the previous 'changing society' issues saw that as a road to position, influence and, ultimately, power.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lydia_Foy

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/katherine-zappone-makes-first-public-appearance-since-un-job-controversy-as-she-launches-lgbtqia-guide-for-parents/41802529.html

Last year's referendum and the fallout clearly sent a message.

Maire an excellent summary. Important to point out the leader of Sinn Fein (3rd largest party) has a trans sibling.

It is often conservative countries that buy this ideology

Ireland has a sexist constitution that tells women their place is on the home that was re affirmed by referendum just last year .

That is not what the Irish constitution says, which is why many feminists were prominent in the pre-referendum campaign to retain the current wording and the status it gives to women.

I was trying to copy and paste one article from the Irish Constitution to back up your post, DeanElderberry,:

40.1 All citizens shall, as human persons, be held equal before the law

but I obviously lost control of the cursor and managed to paste the ENTIRE CONSTITUTION OF IRELAND into the message box!
thank heavens for the delete icon😁

Scumbags are running scared

In both National Languages, I hope and trust?

I got the impression last year that a lot of people assumed we plebs had never read it, and would swallow whatever they tried to fool us into believing it said. But DeV wasn't daft, and like some recent American EOs, it's carefully worded.

About feckin time that our politicians started paying attention to the people outside the bubble of the Oireachtas (and D4😈)!!

Seriously though, I think this change in the 2025 PFG represents both an effect of the vibe change resulting from the US elections and the hard work over the years by various people/groups to undermine the hold Genderism developed on politicians and institutions in Ireland and Western societies generally.

I would really like it if Ireland could no longer be held up by Genderists as a FALSE example of a country where Genderism was given legal support by the State and the population weren’t negatively affected. Ireland was a classic example of the Denton’s document playbook and should rather serve as a warning to other countries.

I agree with previous posters that the referendum on the constitutional wording was the first big shock to the government plans to instigate even more Genderist public policy, but I just wish it hadn’t taken them all so long to catch up with the public sentiment on this issue and I would like to see them continue as far as undoing a lot of the damaging public policy and legal changes they implemented. But that’s the long term battle ahead and I’ll take pleasure in changes like today’s announcement too.

This is not true about the constitution.

The constitution doesn’t say that a woman’s place is in the home rather that it recognises women’s contribution in the home.

The TRAs last year worked hard to perpetuate this myth & have the word mother removed

I think you’ve completely misunderstood why people voted as they did in the referendum last year. It was to protect women and family carers, to make sure that their contribution is recognised

I did not know that

& when Mary Lou was complaining about the ‘gender’ in balance in the cabinet I thought why don’t the get the men to identify as women. Simple

And so the wall starts to fall

I thought that too! Not all the men, obvs, just 50%; and they could start by asking for volunteers, but if not enough stepped up, the Taoiseach - or would it be the Chief Whip's job? would draw names out of a hat -
'Jack? You're Jackie.
Pat? OK you can stay Pat but you'll have to wear lippy and sign official documents as Patricia.
Martin? Martina..'

Sometimes you have to laugh or you'd cry🙄

Wonderful news.

I wonder will the day ever come when RTÉ report on this?

Just to clarify for the UK women on here, the new government in Ireland managed to nominate the most male cabinet in a very long time.

Agree.

The fact that women were mentioned in the constitution at all was significant.

Hehehehe, naughty.

True. The 1937 Constitution was not bad considering the times that were in it - the references to 'our' Divine Lord Jesus Christ, the defence of marriage, etc definitely grate, but if you overlook the 'garnish' what it basically guarantees is:

All citizens shall, as human persons, be held equal before the law.

In 1937 Europe, that declaration of universal rights was unusual and admirable.

But Dev wasn't daft, and like some recent American EOs, it's carefully worded. - I agree DeanElderberry, credit where credit is due, even if it's sometimes through gritted teeth