Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The English Blackball Pool federation is having to defend protecting the female category in court and need help from us...

39 replies

Lovelyview · 29/01/2025 10:40

Help us defend our female Blackball competitions from litigation.

The EBPF are a non profit sports federation (NGB) wholly run by volunteers. The EBPF supports the EBA and WPA to promote the game of blackball to players at all levels and have national representation through our counties structure and regional representation through local leagues. As members of world recognised bodies, the EBPF can provide our players with competitions at all levels from local leagues to the World Championships.

On 27 August 2023, we announced that from December 2023, our competitions formerly known as the Ladies’ and Men’s Tours would be replaced with a Female Tour and an Open Pool Tour, and that only biologically born females would be eligible to compete in the Female Pool Tour. We made this decision in the interests of fairness, because we believe that people who have gone through male puberty have a competitive advantage over biological women.

As a consequence of this decision, we are being sued by the transgender player Harriet Haynes. Harriet says that the eligibility rules for the Female Tour are discriminatory on the grounds of gender reassignment. We say that the rules are necessary to secure fair competition and a justified means of promoting female participation in the game.
We are disappointed that Harriet has chosen to sue an organisation made up entirely of volunteers who give up their time to promote the game of pool in England, but we stand by our decision, and we intend to defend the claim. John Heath from Levins Solicitors in Liverpool is acting on behalf of the EBPF but as an NGB, the cost of defending our stance for fair play will be substantial and possibly prove beyond our means.
Please donate and help support us to uphold our Constitution to protect fairness for female players in pool. If we are fortunate enough to raise funds in excess to the amount needed for our defence, the surplus will be donated to a similar cause.
Follow us on our Facebook page.

Paul Thomson Chairman
Anna Goodwin Secretary

English Blackball Pool Federation - News

English Blackball Pool Federation

https://ebpf.uk/news.php

OP posts:
MrsOvertonsWindow · 29/01/2025 14:07

As someone said upthread - the process is the punishment. If a sport runs a women's competition, then it should be reserved for women.
Off to garden for this excellent cause.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 29/01/2025 14:07

The male advantage may be less stark than, say, weightlifting. Doesn't mean it's not there. Wider hand span, longer limbs, greater ability to hang around for hours in pubs practicing without being hassled ... it all adds up.

Bunkbedbunk · 29/01/2025 14:08

Men also have a social advantage in that it's a lot more acceptable for teenage boys to hang around pubs playing pool than teenage girls so there's a huge practice time advantage for boys

Sortumn · 29/01/2025 14:09

NoBinturongsHereMate · 29/01/2025 14:07

The male advantage may be less stark than, say, weightlifting. Doesn't mean it's not there. Wider hand span, longer limbs, greater ability to hang around for hours in pubs practicing without being hassled ... it all adds up.

Yes I think your last point should not be under estimated.

Bunkbedbunk · 29/01/2025 14:15

Ah, a number of cross posts 😁

backslashruby · 29/01/2025 14:33

Gardened.

duc748 · 29/01/2025 14:35

greater ability to hang around for hours in pubs practicing without being hassled

That's the biggest factor IMO. If as many girls as boys took up the game, we'd see a lot more top women pros.

Fenlandia · 29/01/2025 14:53

oakleaffy · 29/01/2025 13:52

Surely men can never be women- It’s a biological impossibility.

well, yes.

UtopiaPlanitia · 29/01/2025 14:56

They’ve raised £4800-ish so far, hopefully that will be useful in defending their case.

Their decision to create a Female and an Open category would seem to fall within the provisions for sport within the Equality Act 2010 (it’s a proportional measure to achieve a legitimate aim) and other sporting federations have created these same categories without any legal issues, so I don’t know on what grounds HH is claiming discrimination.

TWETMIRF · 29/01/2025 15:19

Fenlandia · 29/01/2025 13:40

It's a classic of the Try Harder genre! Always the misogyny shines through

That and conveniently ignoring the fact that women usually do the vast majority of housework, childcare and general home admin in additionto their jobs. I doubt very much that he gets involved in such lowly things as that would prevent him from practicing and travelling all over to play.

SameyMcNameChange · 29/01/2025 16:15

Donation bump. Hope they hold their nerve.

ItsCoolForCats · 04/07/2025 11:22

I have been thinking about this case recently. Does anyone have any idea when we are likely to have the judgement? I'm sure at the tribunal, they said they would wait to hear the outcome of the FWS case at the Supreme Court.

anyolddinosaur · 04/07/2025 16:42

There is no update on their fundraising page - but as Let Women Play Pool ended with an agreement that pool was a gender affected sport I dont see how they could possibly lose.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page