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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girls can have short hair too campaign

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TeenToTwenties · 28/01/2025 09:35

Football club unites to support girls with short hair - BBC News

Wouldn't have been needed back in the day when loads of girls had short hair.

Also wouldn't have been needed before boys started identifying as girls and being allowed into girls spaces.

Two young girls wearing blue and white vertically striped football shirts are smiling at the camera.
There is a green football pitch behind them with floodlights.

Football club unites to support girls with short hair

Under 12s players upset after opposition teams accuse them of cheating by fielding boys.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy1nzv799mo

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ArabellaScott · 28/01/2025 21:33

I've jaw dropped so much through this thread I've given myself TMJ.

DoNotIron · 28/01/2025 21:38

Karen Hauer on strictly was a Latin goddess with long hair and then a frumpy Middle Aged mum type with her cropped hair.

I think @Gymrabbit the language you use to describe a woman with short hair, smacks of internalised misogyny. Frumpy? Middle aged mum type? Jeez, there's no fucking hope.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 28/01/2025 22:24

Gymrabbit · 28/01/2025 21:29

Obviously women and should have their hair how they want and not be accused of being men because if it but I’m really not convinced the reasons why women want long hair are as deep or culturally ingrained as people on here are suggesting.
The fact is that the vast majority of women and girls look much better with long hair. Karen Hauer on strictly was a Latin goddess with long hair and then a frumpy Middle Aged mum type with her cropped hair. There’s also a reason why they put Lauren in a wig whenever they want her to look nice…

someone actually suggested a return of the Purdey cut. Why would anyone want to look like someone has chucked a bowl on their head and cut around it? The wolf cut is just a hideous eyesore.

thinking about the 50 or so women at my workplace between the ages of 22 and 60 and across many different races and nationalities I can only think of one who has short hair and she is clearly someone who isn’t bothered about her appearance. I don’t believe that we are all bowing down to society pressures, we just all have eyes and realise it looks better on most women.

No, it's definitely nothing to do with current fashions and social mores. The fact is that the vast majority of women and girls simply look much better like this.

And fish have no word for water (except mudskippers, one assumes).

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LittleMyLittle · 29/01/2025 00:40

Long hair doesn't objectively look better on women. It massively depends on what you're used to seeing, what you're used to being told looks good and so on.

One could interview a group of people from 18th century Japan and they might confidently opine that women look so much better with black teeth than white teeth. Or modern Japanese people might say women look better with white teeth, but snaggle teeth are cuter than perfectly straight teeth. Americans might agree on the white teeth but think they should be super straight like dentures. Brits might say any teeth can be attractive as long as they're taken care of and not full of cavities. It's completely subjective.

Perhaps there's a certain aesthetic appeal to hairstyles that complement face shapes or hair quality (for example, short hair can make fine wispy hair look much thicker). But again, this isn't going to be a universal opinion.

ChateauMargaux · 29/01/2025 01:33

Women and girls are sanctioned, fined and banned from playing football for questioning why males are permitted to play in the women's team and girls are harrassed by parents for not conforming to female stereotypes. Why are these teams, coaches and parents not being fined and re-educated?

The FA continues to show is complete inability to support women in football. This is not good enough.

Clear rules: No men or boy in female sport... the rest is football. (If only)

https://archive.ph/fZU34
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/01/28/second-teenage-footballer-banned-transgender-opponents-men/

Heggettypeg · 29/01/2025 02:01

NoBinturongsHereMate · 28/01/2025 16:54

In fact, thinking about it - and reminded by that video - short hair on young women was a mildly rebellious look in the 1820s.

At this rate of regress, they'll be burning witches by next year.

Don't despair! Fashion tends to be about sticking it to what's gone before. Slimline Empire dresses followed by stuck-in-the-doorway crinolines. Lush Victorian beards and whiskers followed by neater Edwardian beards and moustaches then Twenties short-and-cleanshaven. So it's pretty much a cert that before long, somebody famous will decide that being shorthaired and female is really really cool, edgy and unheard-of...

inkymoose · 29/01/2025 02:01

NoBinturongsHereMate · 28/01/2025 09:49

<Sigh.>

Girls cutting their hair short was mildly radical 100 years ago. It was then completely normal for almost a century.

What next - a campaign for the acceptability of female trousers?

Exactly.

Just another sexist, controlling attempt to keep women and girls in their place - not to mention turning the clock back at least a hundred years.

I really thought all this old bollocks was well and truly over. Silly me.

duc748 · 29/01/2025 02:01

And yet, as far as I can see, elite women's football is all over TV, so clearly the FA think they've won enough brownie points (and brought in the sponsors). After all, it's elite sport that brings in the money, whatever the sport.

Goes without saying that the way the FA have treated those young girls is disgraceful.

inkymoose · 29/01/2025 02:07

ArabellaScott · 28/01/2025 21:33

I've jaw dropped so much through this thread I've given myself TMJ.

Me too! Absolutely unbelievable rubbish!

"women look better with long hair"

words fail me

DeanElderberry · 29/01/2025 07:12

Each to her own. Personally I find very long hair (more than an inch or so below shoulder length) a bit repulsive, like those very long fingernails - all that dead keratin hanging around a person's head. I have a horror of being in a confined space where there's a danger of my coming into contact with it.

Itiswhatitis80 · 29/01/2025 07:18

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 28/01/2025 18:58

Mine is Grade 2 round the sides and back and just cut in on top. I am regularly assumed to be a lesbian. I think the fact I'm single and quite vocal about not wanting a man might feed into this (although if you'd had the men I have had, then YOU wouldn't want another one either). So in order for my sexuality and my sex not to come into question, I am expected to grow my hair long. Which just makes me look like my Dad in drag.

It’s ridiculous isn’t it,my hair is thin when it’s longer,I look like a witch plus it ages me,iv resorted to dying it purple for some kind of identity back.

WinterBones · 29/01/2025 09:42

denhaag · 28/01/2025 15:07

I'm not sure what (if any) point I want to make, but these are my observations as a mother of a boy who has gone through the grassroots football ranks.

I take umbrage at the assumption that fielding a boy on a girls team gives that team an advantage. From about 9 or so many girls are larger, faster and stronger than many boys. It's a small window because obviously the boys catch up and overtake the girls, but a U10 or U12 girls team would probably do better w/o boys.

Many boys have long hair and have been mistaken for girls. I've watched games where a slight, long-haired boy has been mistaken for a girl and the lads have sometimes avoided being as physical. I'm talking once they get to 14 or 15 when some of the boys can be man sized.

i have to chuckle about this one. there is a young girl in my family who is in the pipeline to play for England, she's currently part of the youth/under 16s team for one of the big premiership teams.

She's in year 9 i think now (might be yr 8), but been playing since early primary school. She plays with the senior boys team at school and STILL runs rings around them.

ChateauMargaux · 29/01/2025 11:55

@denhaag, as a mother of a girl who has fought to take her place in football for 13 years, the girls have had to justify why they need kit that fits, equal access to pitch time and coaches. When they are on the pitch with boys, the boys behave badly, their own team often ignore them and when we had a girls team play in a 'mixed' (boys) league the behaviour of the opposition players, parents and coaches was nothing short of shocking.

While some girls may be better, faster, bigger, than some boys, aged between 6 and 10 - for the most part, the boys are better, faster and more aggressive than the girls. There are numerous reasons for this... not least the shoes and clothes that girls have to wear to school.

The point here is that girls are being expected to confirm to gender stereotypes and are being called out by adults when on other pitches, men who identify as women are protected by the footballing organisation, rules, policies etc and are being sanctioned significantly more harshly for asking if players are male, than male players have been for actual bodily harm (head butting) or racism.

For girls and women to play football, they have to over come so many more barriers than boys and men. The FA and football culture in the UK, is actively hostile towards women and girls, despite the huge popularity and success of women's football.

Interestingly, when my female presenting boy, was playing (he had a beautiful blond bob... ) - many people said how lovely it was that he played in the boys team.... but when my actual female child played in a mixed team - she was treated badly.

misscockerspaniel · 29/01/2025 20:20

WinterBones · 29/01/2025 09:42

i have to chuckle about this one. there is a young girl in my family who is in the pipeline to play for England, she's currently part of the youth/under 16s team for one of the big premiership teams.

She's in year 9 i think now (might be yr 8), but been playing since early primary school. She plays with the senior boys team at school and STILL runs rings around them.

Not that long ago, and due to there being no teams for girls, a girl in Guernsey played in a boys' football team. She is now the captain of the Manchester United women's team and plays for England!

bringonyourwreckingball · 29/01/2025 20:38

I currently have short hair due to losing it all to chemotherapy. It looks dreadful at this stage of regrowth and I am very tempted to have it cut much shorter again but the amount of abuse I have had on OLD for the hair is astounding. I’m nearly 50 ffs. But having short hair imposed on me really made me realize how rare it is these days.

inkymoose · 29/01/2025 21:59

bringonyourwreckingball · 29/01/2025 20:38

I currently have short hair due to losing it all to chemotherapy. It looks dreadful at this stage of regrowth and I am very tempted to have it cut much shorter again but the amount of abuse I have had on OLD for the hair is astounding. I’m nearly 50 ffs. But having short hair imposed on me really made me realize how rare it is these days.

It seems incredibly mean and horrible to criticise somebody for having short hair, and even more so when they don't have any choice about it.

I've had short hair for quite a long time. Few years. It was long when I was younger, but really, the stuff that grows out of my head (dead keratin as @DeanElderberry put it) is no one else's business but mine. I chose to have my hair cut short. Actually I revelled in my choice! I was lucky to be able to choose, of course. A family member went through chemo just as you have @bringonyourwreckingball and was very unhappy with their hair afterwards - but I always thought she looked beautiful no matter what. Long hair doth not a woman make, says I.

MarieDeGournay · 29/01/2025 22:06

bringonyourwreckingball · 29/01/2025 20:38

I currently have short hair due to losing it all to chemotherapy. It looks dreadful at this stage of regrowth and I am very tempted to have it cut much shorter again but the amount of abuse I have had on OLD for the hair is astounding. I’m nearly 50 ffs. But having short hair imposed on me really made me realize how rare it is these days.

Do whatever you want to do to feel better, stronger and in control, bringonyourwreckingball, and, as we say in Dublin, feck the begrudgers!
Keep getting well Flowers

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