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Police want to increase recording of non crimes

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Apollo441 · 28/01/2025 00:02

https://www.thetimes.com/article/a92380a0-0483-4b31-9ecd-89171f5bbd6c?shareToken=68a578d2b8bf9c67fb793be0790a4a81

From the article;
contained 38 recommendations to better combat extremism in the UK, including an increase in the police recording of non-crime hate incidents. It proposed reversing the code of conduct introduced by the previous government that ordered police to record non-criminal hate incidents only if there was a serious risk of harm.

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https://www.thetimes.com/article/a92380a0-0483-4b31-9ecd-89171f5bbd6c?shareToken=68a578d2b8bf9c67fb793be0790a4a81

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LittleMyLittle · 28/01/2025 00:15

That share token isn't working for me, btw - it's just taking me to the home page.

But the sheer overreach of this policy aside, how can they possibly justify looking into non-crimes when they don't have the staff to look into real crimes? The police are going to be absolutely bogged down in paperwork.

IwantToRetire · 28/01/2025 00:50

LittleMyLittle · 28/01/2025 00:15

That share token isn't working for me, btw - it's just taking me to the home page.

But the sheer overreach of this policy aside, how can they possibly justify looking into non-crimes when they don't have the staff to look into real crimes? The police are going to be absolutely bogged down in paperwork.

Having skim read the article (see archive link below) I think the snippet doesn't quite reflect what the supposed recommendations are.

Its to stop this limited approach to terrorism being only seen as being a member of an extreme group. Even Starmer hinted at the fact that the real danger in this country was incels isolated in the bedrooms absorbing celebrations of violence.

After the sentencing of the Southport murderer it was acknowledged that he hadn't been seen as a threat because he wasn't link to any specific group. But as most women and girls know, male violence is a universal threat.

From the article:

The wide-ranging report set out multiple examples of attitudes and behaviour that should be termed “extremist”. This included extreme misogyny, spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories, an interest in “gore or extreme misogyny”, involvement in “online subcultures called the manosphere” and those obsessed with school massacres, as well as anarchists and environmental protesters.

It said extremists could be “opportunistic” by exploiting and twisting topical issues to fit their wider narratives. Examples included grooming gangs, the report said, adding: “Right-wing extremists frequently exploit cases of alleged group-based sexual abuse to promote anti-Muslim sentiment as well as related anti-government and anti-‘political correctness’ narratives.”

The report said the “extreme right wing” was a “fragmented collection of groups, subcultures and leaderless movements” that pushed a range of narratives that are “coded calls for violence rather than explicit threats”.

Archive link to whole article https://archive.is/6LB2i

Not that I think any of this will do any good.

There will only be change when the male political system recognises that the threat in 99.9% of cases is male culture. Trying to link it to sects or political groups is the way men deflect from the fact that it is men who are obsorbed by this admiration of violence.

Brainworm · 28/01/2025 08:58

At an individual level, in part, they seem to be highlighting known risk factors and behaviours that, if escalating, could lead to harm/crime. These can be recognised, and actioned, without resorting to recording 'non-crime hate incidents'. The factors that lead to 'acts of terrorism' are well known.

The other element they seem intent on 'addressing' is promotion of 'hate'. This brings with it the complexities of determining what is hateful. The majority of people will not turn to crime and commit acts of terrorism in response to views, opinions and beliefs they encounter - however compelling. If the concern genuinely is with those who are at risk of committing crime/ acts of terrorism, we get back to the point of needing to address root causes for this sub section of society. Seeking to control the speech of the masses is not a proportionate response, but is one that makes they liable for accusations of undermining democracy.

Signalbox · 28/01/2025 09:13

Apollo441 · 28/01/2025 00:02

https://www.thetimes.com/article/a92380a0-0483-4b31-9ecd-89171f5bbd6c?shareToken=68a578d2b8bf9c67fb793be0790a4a81

From the article;
contained 38 recommendations to better combat extremism in the UK, including an increase in the police recording of non-crime hate incidents. It proposed reversing the code of conduct introduced by the previous government that ordered police to record non-criminal hate incidents only if there was a serious risk of harm.

Where does it say that the police want to increase recording of NCHIs?

OuterSpaceCadet · 28/01/2025 09:36

Misogyny / DV has been proven to be a factor in men who go on to become terrorists. But, of course, misogyny isn't actually a hate crime.

Thelnebriati · 28/01/2025 11:04

That explains their response to the petition to ban recording non hate crimes.

Tauranga · 28/01/2025 11:08

https://telegraph.co.uk/gift/424aaae5e417a049

I put this link on another post, it is chilling.

Runor · 28/01/2025 11:19

Wow! So the police can record that you committed a non-crime, which could then affect your employment status. Yes you never get a chance to defend yourself, or potentially even know that it has happened. And the government likes this and wants to expand it….. I’d love to see them defend this process!

Signalbox · 28/01/2025 13:48

Runor · 28/01/2025 11:19

Wow! So the police can record that you committed a non-crime, which could then affect your employment status. Yes you never get a chance to defend yourself, or potentially even know that it has happened. And the government likes this and wants to expand it….. I’d love to see them defend this process!

They've already tried to defend it and failed in court (Harry Miller case) so presumably they would need to legislate if they want to go back to recording every silly complaint as a NCHI.

Imnobody4 · 28/01/2025 17:26

Just to clarify
After the details of the report were leaked, Dan Jarvis, the security minister, said he and the home secretary had rejected the report’s recommendations despite having commissioned it.
This is a report done by the Home Office civil service.I want the authors to be named. They aren't fit for the job.

IwantToRetire · 28/01/2025 17:37

I think everyone is getting hooked on the wrong angle.

It isn't about the non hate hate crime, but making the system aware that those influencing extremism aren't the crude categories that politicians have.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/27/misogyny-identified-as-breeding-ground-for-extremism-in-leaked-report

I think what is disturbing is that so many people dont want misogyny to be classified as a form of terrorism.

Misogyny identified as breeding ground for extremism in UK, says leaked report

The ‘manosphere’ and Hindu nationalism were also identified by report commissioned after last summer’s riots

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/27/misogyny-identified-as-breeding-ground-for-extremism-in-leaked-report

MilitantFawcett · 28/01/2025 18:07

IwantToRetire · 28/01/2025 17:37

I think everyone is getting hooked on the wrong angle.

It isn't about the non hate hate crime, but making the system aware that those influencing extremism aren't the crude categories that politicians have.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/27/misogyny-identified-as-breeding-ground-for-extremism-in-leaked-report

I think what is disturbing is that so many people dont want misogyny to be classified as a form of terrorism.

💯 I know it shouldn’t surprise me by now but the mental contortions that politicians and others are doing to avoid recognising male hate towards women is shocking. I’m particularly disappointed in Yvette Cooper. I know I should be used to being let down on this by now but it’s enraging.

IwantToRetire · 28/01/2025 19:03

I know. When Starmer made a speech last week (?) about how the new thread was isolated young men in there bedrooms, I thought at last.

But all news sources just squimmed over that part of the speech.

It was probably silly of me to think this could be a light bulb moment.

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