US prisons: 15% of women are transgender

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The NY Times ran an article last week on Trump's Executive Order to separate women from transwomen in the federal prison system.

Buried in the article is an astonishing stat that 15% of women prisoners are trans.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/23/us/trump-transgender-inmates-prison.html

"The number of people affected is relatively small. There are about 1,500 federal prisoners who are transgender women, <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/4P8yg/www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_gender.jsp" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">according to the Bureau of Prisons. But they represent an outsize portion of federal inmates, especially among female prisoners: 15 percent of women in prison are transgender."

So of circa 10,000 female prisoners, 1,500 are men!

Is there only 10000 women in prison in the US?

I can't read the article sadly. But I have two questions - how many of them decided to be trans following their arrest, and how many of them are sex offenders?

Federal prison.

Is it like the converting to Islam? Better food or some other benefit?
I suppose not having to be in a men’s prison and being able to live with women instead is a massive benefit for many men!

My god, those poor women. Whatever they’ve done, they still deserve basic human rights, and locking them up with dangerous men is an outrage.

I say ‘“dangerous men”, because trans/identifying male prisoners are more likely to be sex offenders than non-trans male convicts are.

Neither the article not the prison data page say, but asking about Prison Onset Gender Dysphoria is a good question

Hot and cold running victims

https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2024/12/31/prison-washington-transgender-inmate-woman-sues/

Archive copy: https://archive.ph/o9SkW

Probably worth pointing out that not all of the 1500 are being held in women's prisons.

TRAs to Govt: Put men in women's prisons, it will be fine.
Women: Don't do this, women will be raped.
Govt: <puts men in women's prisons>
Female prisoners to prison authorities: This man has raped me.
Prison authorities to female prisoners: If you complain, you will be punished with longer sentences and loss of privileges.
Female prisoners: <stay silent from fear of punishment>
TRAs: See, there have been no complaints, it's fine.

Setting up prison policies that penalise rape victims as "transphobic" is an intentional part of the TRA strategy. It is not a coincidence and, from their perspective, silencing raped female prisoners is not a bug, it's a feature.

The "National Center for Lesbian Rights" haven't actually represented lesbians for a long time now.

If they are in federal prison that means they are guilty of more serious crimes right?

I don’t think that’s necessarily true, lots of federal crimes are “white collar” crimes. Financial crimes as opposed to violent crimes.

Mr. Trump’s order echoed those arguments, saying that “efforts to eradicate the biological reality of sex fundamentally attack women by depriving them of their dignity, safety and well-being.”

So apparently it's ok if biological women get raped as long as the male kind of woman is protected.

“If someone is taking hormones and they have breasts, their breasts would leave. Can you imagine as a woman watching your breasts leave?” she said.

Try breastfeeding 🙄

Having said that, I'm not sure if I agree with a blanket stop to treatments.. separation of sexes, great, but crudely treating innates with a blanket policy, some of which may be extremely vulnerable, I'm not sure about. It is America I suppose.

So they deserve to be raped?

“If someone is taking hormones and they have breasts, their breasts would leave. Can you imagine as a woman watching your breasts leave?” she said.

That makes it sound as if they detach themselves and just wander off.

That would be great @NoBinturongsHereMate

I could certainly do with that at times, they do get in the way rather.

Federal crimes can be serious ones such as murder. But they also include crimes committed on federal land and native reservations, or against/involving the government, or that cross state lines.

So mail fraud, tax evasion, credit card fraud, most online crimes, and damaging mail boxes would all be federal.rather than state.

Men (however they identify) are generally much more likely to commit sexual or violent crimes than women.

This really does add weight to the idea that men who identify as women are a subset of men, rather than people with a female brain that somehow fell into a male body.

I'm not quite sure how or why you jumped to that conclusion from what I said. I think you owe me an apology for that.

My train of thought was that if federal prisoners were more violent, that's particularly bad for female prisoners stuck with them.

But I wasnt sure if that was the case, so I was asking if federal prisoners were in for more serious crimes or not.

I too am not happy about just stopping treatment that people have already started. People need sex hormones for their bone strength.

Men need testosterone for bone strength, not oestrogen.

If people need hormones for their health, give them the right hormones.

You're right, but also cutting straight from one to the other without tapering, or stopping cross-sex hormones immediately to comply with this EO without setting up a same-sex hormone treatment plan first, might cause harm.

Analogy: we know that alcoholism kills, but we also know that going cold turkey causes delirium tremens and can kill, so we don't treat alcoholics by stopping their alcohol dead.