Whitehall leaving stonewall - Times article

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Good to see. www.thetimes.com/article/c13b81b7-9d13-4abf-80ea-f65504025469?shareToken=1745b0acb2153aa7bf2a58d98fa791f5

Thanks OP. Better late than never isn't it? But so much damage has been done..

Archive link:
archive.ph/ix41y

Good news, but I thought they had left already??

Good start to the weekend!

Great!

Although I see Cambridge University has voted to rejoin which is really worrying.

Great news. I'm amazed anyone is staying with Stonewall, but I suppose it takes time for people to realise how much harm they have done.

It is a good start, but this left a sour taste

https://archive.ph/9OLsm

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/civil-servants-one-day-off-week-promote-gender-ideology/

I'm going to tell myself that it's the Telegraph putting the worst possible spin on it and there's probably similar, hopefully more numerous, equivalents for the other protected characteristics. A little voice insists on whispering that Stonewall's work is done. Whitehall can leave, stay, it doesn't matter the body's been snatched.

An HMRC insider claimed that members of the LGBT advocacy group often led presentations for staff during work hours, with many focusing on the issue of trans rights.
The whistle-blower – who asked not to be named for fear of professional repercussions – described one session held last year that lasted more than 45 minutes on being transgender and sharing pronouns.

From the archive version. Good grief. And as for being given 20% of your working week time to spend in advocacy activities…

[me tangent] I spent part of last week arguing with colleagues because I need to explain 'normal' vs 'abnormal' test result ranges. This, oddly enough, involves sex differences.

Let's say it's kidney values. And what's in range for a man would plainly be in the 'there's something going awry' for a woman.

Apparently, there is no acceptable form of binary words that would be acceptable to present. Even tho' it's necessary context, a non-relevant consideration trumps everything. It's an omnipresent omnieditor that sabotages ready understanding of essential information. [/metangent]

It feels like A Tale of Two Cities.

It was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity…it was the winter of despair.

I'm exploring what my options are for moving towards retirement and changing my activities. I can't contribute to this vandalism of knowledge.

Good news, too late. Well done to SEEN for all they've done in this. I know a couple of SEEN people whose lives were made absolute hell for standing up for LGB and women's rights.

In my bit, trans is shoehorned into every bit of celebration about anything else. They ignore the other eight protected characteristics.

Someone I knew wasn't allowed to do any work for SEEN at all in working hours, even though they were in the x-gov steering group. It's so unbalanced.

There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth when it was decided the department would withdraw from the Stonewall thing that costs a lot of money (my knowledge is limited about the various levels) but we were reassured by management that we would continue to follow the Stonewall recommendations and requirements, so it was only a money-saving thing, not a rejection of the advice 🤬

Wasn’t this the trigger for the Jo Phoenix v OU case? I thought she wanted to be able to do research around prisons where the differences between the sexes are clear. I think it snowballed from there.

@RethinkingLife
This is one of the things I wish people would understand. When we have blood tests, there are different normal ranges, for men and women. It clearly matters that we know whether a result is normal or abnormal based on the person’s sex. Sex, not what they identify as. Because your physiology depends on your sex, and most of the physiology doesn’t change if you have surgery and hormones. And absolutely nothing changes in those who “socially transition” or identify as non-binary.

So when a TW insists that they are a woman, that’s a “legal fiction” as defined in the GRA, it doesn’t mean they have become the same physiologically as a woman. Yet the latter is what has been promoted for years, and anyone pointing out that a TW still has the skeleton, muscles, heart and lungs, blood chemistry etc and indeed usually reproductive system as a man, they’ve been denounced as a transphobe, socially excluded and in danger of losing their jobs.

Meanwhile, the NHS record patients’ “gender” not birth sex, as crowed about by at least one loud and prominent TW posting photos of their NHS hospital bracelet that says “female”. This would appear to put patients in danger of potentially fatal incorrect treatment because of misinterpretation of results. But they get round this by adding a question “is your gender identity the same as that assigned at birth?”. If the answer is no, bingo - the TW is a male and the clinician needs to interpret their results and prescribe their treatment accordingly. It’s incredibly dishonest- the NHS is promoting the TWAW mantra while privately knowing full well that they’re men.

It’s shocking that so many people believe that TW have periods - actual menstruation- and need cervical screening. I realise a lot of people don’t know much human anatomy and physiology, but I’m surprised there are women who believe that a man who has had cosmetic surgery to construct a structure that resembles a vagina, now somehow has all the organs involved in menstruation, and have a cervix. It’s even more baffling that people believe that a man who has had no surgery, but is taking oestrogen, has periods. We have a long way to go.

In the face of this nonsense, let's remember that when senior civil servants in 2 departments beclowned themselves by ignoring the law and requirement to be impartial, instead issuing delusional praise for illegal trans guidelines, those departments have been forced to a pay six figure compensation to Eleanor Frances, issue public apologies and a commitment to "do better" - ie obey the law.

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/civil-service-must-return-to-impartiality-and-protection-for-all/

From a quick read of the article this isn't new.

The article is about how many Gov departments have now abandoned Stonewall.

Every major government department has left a diversity scheme run by the charity Stonewall after a string of controversies over gender ideology, The Times has learnt.
The exodus from Stonewall’s Diversity Champions Programme (DCP) came after concerns about the level of influence the lobby group had on shaping Whitehall’s internal policies.
Some of the biggest government departments, including the Home Office and Treasury, were among hundreds of public institutions and private companies who paid into the scheme. Stonewall describes it as the “gold standard for LGBTQ+ inclusion”, but it attracted criticism for promoting “gender identity” over biological sex, and was accused of favouring trans rights at the expense of women’s rights.
More than 15 ministerial departments contacted by The Times this week confirmed they were no longer part of the scheme. The initiative still attracts major businesses, local government organisations and universities.

@FictionalCharacter
This dancing around the actual facts can also waste valuable time with critical illnesses, as not every medical employee sees the patient in person - let's say people from the lab only get the names and M/F information and other parameters such as age and weight, then send back the lab report to the staff who treat the patient. Abnormal results then can take time to discover, while a patient is readied for surgery... Such a mess in a hectic work environment.

That brings David Lammy to mind. Because a man may have the skin of his male genitals eviscerated and the outer skin cosmetically reshaped to mimic the outer appearance of a woman’s body, DL stated that they can sort of jimmy up a cervix. You know the internal part that connects a woman’s uterus to her birth canal and which can dilate to deliver a baby. He must think magic can be done with a man’s testicles and penis skin.

Would have been so much ‘better to remain silent than be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt’.

Absolutely. A ridiculous situation. Just because the idealogues don't want to admit the reality - we have our male or female physical body whatever we identify as - and don't want the rest of us to say the truth.

@Cailleach1 Ah, Lammy, one of the most aggressive TWAW-ers. He's one of the architects of the GRA, he's arrogant and determined he's right, and he's never admitted he got that so badly wrong.

Thank you. Can you pass on how to 'archive' an article please?

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Thank you so much. I have The Times on an app and often want to share the odd article. I presume I'll have to use the web based version.