Skye Vitritti

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Just been watching a you tuber called Skye Vitiritti. He's a transexual man who is open that he is someone with mental health disorder called gender dysphoria. He's very against puberty blockers and he says gender dysphoria needs to be treated as a mental health issue and all other ways of managing /treating it exhausted before transition. He's clear transition is only ever the last option if nothing else has worked as, transition takes such a heavy toll on the body for life. He also made the point, which I have not heard before, that you need a strong healthy body before starting medical transition as it does take such a toll on the body, and children who have been put on puberty blockers already have weakened bodies by the puberty blockers.
I've just a seen a video where he argues strongly that each man in women's sports affects a large number of women.

I know some posters here hate any positive comments about any trans identified male/ woman but I personally am glad that there are some trans people arguing against gender ideology.

So just highlighting this in case anyone else is interested in checking him out.

I know some posters here hate any positive comments about any trans identified male/ woman…

You might assert that you "know" it but I wonder if it's more your idiosyncratic impression?

If it's reassuring for you, I recall threads on FWR in which posters have mentioned the potentially gruelling impacts of various forms of transition. TullipR, Sinead Watson, Scott Newgent and others report their experiences about the impact that radical surgery and interventions can have on the general health state afterwards.

A fair number of posters express their concerns about the impact of puberty blockers on bone health, brain development etc. and there have been many threads that discuss long-term outcomes for those, for fertility, for sexual health etc.

No, its not my impression, its posts I have read. I said ' some posters' not all.

And I wasn't talking about the ill health effects of PB in general - those are well covered.

I was talking about his specific point that PB are bad for transition itself. I have not heard anyone make that point before.

It's not a point or discussion I've seen recently, but certainly has been made many times in the past.

It has been known for a long time (and discussed on here ) that puberty blockers can result in osteoporosis in adolescents. That they keep the penis to its pre-pubertal size. Creating a pseudo-vag cavity out of an inverted penis requires an adult-sized organ. Without it, the pseudo-vag has to be made out of a length of colon.

Oh, and that suppressing puberty in its entirety (as opposed to delaying it for a couple of years, in the case of precocious puberty) may also prevent the individual's brain from maturing, potentially resulting in an individual with a child's ability to reason, risk-assess, and self-advocate, and a childlike body - at an age above the age of consent. Hmmm, wonder whether Mumsnetters have ever expressed concerns about this?

Thanks, looks interesting. In my experience the most batshit, misogynist and homophobic championing of extreme trans ideology is just as likely to come from a self identified "cis" person as it is from a person with a trans identity.

Of course there are trans people out there who are mindful of others' boundaries; realistic about who they are and about what the medication and surgery does; and who agree with child safeguarding.

The question for me is why does the media largely ignore these people? Why are the fundamentalists and boundary pushers given so much more exposure?

@OuterSpaceCadet The question for me is why does the media largely ignore these people? Why are the fundamentalists and boundary pushers given so much more exposure?

Partly because fundamentalism and boundary pushing is more exciting than caution and reasonable doubts. Partly because people come in for very heavy flak when they express doubts in public so reasonable people keep a low profile. Amd partly because some of the press agree with the batshittery and don't want to encourage anyone to raise doubts.

Another reason - ironically but not accidentally - is language. If I talk clearly about a Dutch lad who died indrectly due to puberty blockers - his penis didn't develop properly so they had to take a section of his gut for his neovagina, bigger risk of infection, it got infected and he died of necrotising fascitis, having preciously been totally physically healthy (and if Dutch protocol was followed he was mentally healthy as well ) - and someone complains about my pronouns I could get deleted and labelled a transphobe.

But she/her language confuses the medical reality and gender-neutral language is impersonal and has less force.

@oatmilkchocolate You might also like the Transparency podcast - two achingly reasonable middle-aged transmen discussing all these issues. It's still out there though there are no new episodes for a year or so.

Though I do agree that it's hard to find anyone talking directly and openly about the physical effects of puberty blockers and medical transition. Apart from Ritchie Herron who doesn't mind getting into details about what transition has done to his body.

I think it’s interesting (and frustrating) that some transitioned people are raising awareness about the physical dangers involved in transition but they still say things like ‘transition was right for me’’ or ‘transition is the right choice for some people’. So I grade their intervention as not as helpful as it could be because they keep alive the idea that surgery and hormones are an acceptable way to treat a mental health condition. And they give distressed children a confusing message that there are such things as ‘true’ trans people and that it’s perfectly reasonable to deny reality and try to live as though you are the opposite sex.

I would prefer them to say something like they made the best choices they could at the time, with the standards of care available, but ‘don’t do what I did, folks; find a different way to deal with your distress’, would be a more more realistic and helpful message to promote.

@AmaryllisNightAndDay One of the hosts of that podcast has decided to live as her natal sex again (I’ve seen some of her posts on TwiX about how it’s going) so perhaps that’s why the podcast is on hiatus or has finished.

Well, I suppose for him, he would feel that was not true. He does think transition was the only (end point) option for him, only because all the other (theoretically preferable) options were tried by him and did not work. He was very clear that transition should always be the very last option due to the heavy toll it will take on your body. He was clear it was better if you can manage your dysphoria in other ways.