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Mail article: Father talks 11-year old daughter out of using puberty blockers

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RoyalCorgi · 01/01/2025 11:01

This is a story about a man whose daughter wanted to go on puberty blockers, supported by both medics and her own mother (estranged from the dad). He couldn't afford to mount a legal challenge, but he talked his daughter through the side-effects and encouraged her to change her mind - which she did. A few years down the line she is now back to seeing herself as female.

A fairly ordinary story in a way but I wanted to share it because it is from Australia, which is very far behind the UK in the fightback against this ideology. The man's current wife posted on X today to say: "We've spent the past two years talking to anyone who would listen about this and this journo told us in March his editor wouldn't run this story because he didn't believe it was possible."

So, another glimmer of sunlight being shone on this madness. And the article is good at listing the side-effects of puberty blockers, so a great piece to show anyone who doesn't understand the issues.

Behind a paywall:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13200243/australia-puberty-blockers-father.html

Archive link:
https://archive.md/T3nG9

Father makes toughest decision after daughter, 11, said she was a boy

The night before his 11-year-old daughter was due to start taking puberty blockers, Brad* sat down with her for an important conversation.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13200243/australia-puberty-blockers-father.html

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 01/01/2025 11:49

A horror story with a happy ending, what a way to start a new year. Well done to the father for turning it around. 😁

MrsOvertonsWindow · 01/01/2025 12:16

An 11 year old! What have we done to children to persuade them that their uncomfortable, growing bodies are "wrong" but a lifetime of untested drugs and brutal experimental surgery with a massively high failure rate is the solution.

Well done that father. He spotted what everyone should have spotted:

'My concern was this wasn't about gender identity; it was a response to learning what it can mean to be a woman,' he says.

FranticFrankie · 01/01/2025 14:02

A 11 year old child
Well done that Dad !!

BonfireLady · 01/01/2025 15:01

Well done that Dad (and supportive step mum) 👏👏

Well done that father. He spotted what everyone should have spotted.

Exactly this ⬆️

The thing that I find most fascinating of all is that it "sat around" as a story for a while. The fact that it became possible to publish it indicates a shift deep within the bowels of the media in Australia. Perhaps they recognise that parents are waking up to what's happening and see value in the story angle of parents fighting back.

From what I have seen (and I appreciate my experience is limited) the media in the UK has a similar set of barriers when it comes to surfacing up these types of stories. Going against the tide of gender identity belief to support children is very much in the public interest but news teams are often nervous (presumably about legal exposure in uncharted territory e.g. publishing something which strongly implies negligence on the part of the public institutions that should be safeguarding these children) or, like the BBC Health Team, seem to think they've already covered it "impartially". It's encouraging to see something surface up in this way, long after the parents were told it wouldn't be possible.

I'm optimistic that a lot of what can't be published "now" is still influencing editorial conversations. I've actually been asked directly if something I wrote could be used in this way (for conversations) instead of being published and could also be hung onto in case it fits in later. In this particular example I don't think there was a legality concern, it was more of a "what is the editorial angle?"/"how does it fit in?" question. It was about my experience of being in a parenting group related to gender identity. Obviously I said yes to it being used in this way. I don't mind how it's used if it contributes in some way towards helping the children and young adults who are caught up in this mess.

IMO the clearer the message becomes that a child declaring a trans identity is nothing like a child wondering if they are gay, the more frequently we'll start to hear about this kind of story. The media will be wary of stories that sound homophobic, because "LGBT" is being positioned as all the same thing. It's PRd intensively in this way everywhere, but the issue with puberty blocker safety and efficacy is slowly but surely waking enough people up to care about the significant difference between LGB and T.

We're not at critical mass yet on awareness but I'm encouraged at how many people IRL seem to be aware of the PB issue now. Sadly, I think too many default back to trusting the NHS but that too will hopefully start to change if the NHS doesn't change tack on cross-sex hormones. Awareness of their harm is also growing.

kiterunning · 01/01/2025 15:50

Every time I read one of these positive stories I feel an overwhelming sense of relief.
We must protect our children from this ideology and 2025 could be our year.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 01/01/2025 15:53

BonfireLady · 01/01/2025 15:01

Well done that Dad (and supportive step mum) 👏👏

Well done that father. He spotted what everyone should have spotted.

Exactly this ⬆️

The thing that I find most fascinating of all is that it "sat around" as a story for a while. The fact that it became possible to publish it indicates a shift deep within the bowels of the media in Australia. Perhaps they recognise that parents are waking up to what's happening and see value in the story angle of parents fighting back.

From what I have seen (and I appreciate my experience is limited) the media in the UK has a similar set of barriers when it comes to surfacing up these types of stories. Going against the tide of gender identity belief to support children is very much in the public interest but news teams are often nervous (presumably about legal exposure in uncharted territory e.g. publishing something which strongly implies negligence on the part of the public institutions that should be safeguarding these children) or, like the BBC Health Team, seem to think they've already covered it "impartially". It's encouraging to see something surface up in this way, long after the parents were told it wouldn't be possible.

I'm optimistic that a lot of what can't be published "now" is still influencing editorial conversations. I've actually been asked directly if something I wrote could be used in this way (for conversations) instead of being published and could also be hung onto in case it fits in later. In this particular example I don't think there was a legality concern, it was more of a "what is the editorial angle?"/"how does it fit in?" question. It was about my experience of being in a parenting group related to gender identity. Obviously I said yes to it being used in this way. I don't mind how it's used if it contributes in some way towards helping the children and young adults who are caught up in this mess.

IMO the clearer the message becomes that a child declaring a trans identity is nothing like a child wondering if they are gay, the more frequently we'll start to hear about this kind of story. The media will be wary of stories that sound homophobic, because "LGBT" is being positioned as all the same thing. It's PRd intensively in this way everywhere, but the issue with puberty blocker safety and efficacy is slowly but surely waking enough people up to care about the significant difference between LGB and T.

We're not at critical mass yet on awareness but I'm encouraged at how many people IRL seem to be aware of the PB issue now. Sadly, I think too many default back to trusting the NHS but that too will hopefully start to change if the NHS doesn't change tack on cross-sex hormones. Awareness of their harm is also growing.

That's a really interesting perspective BonfireLady. For all the media attention paid to gruesome crimes etc that are described in horrific detail, the endless analysis and punishment for wrongspeak, there's such a reluctance of the media to openly explore the roots and reality of all this.
The idea we've let a generation of children believe their bodies are wrong, that the most appalling experimental drugs and surgery are a positive with the press simpering in the background about "trans children" is quite unbelievable. On one hand writing articles supporting mixed sex facilities that decriminalise flashing and voyeurism, while on the other criticising the police for failing to pick up Wayne Couzens for flashing as it's a gateway to more serious sex offences. No joining up the dots.

The stark MoJ data about sex offenders (that still fails to include those with a GRC) is such a red flag and although it's now being reported, it's still left to the public to join up the dots about what an onslaught this is on the safety of children, women and the vulnerable. I understand the reluctance of parents to expose their children to media attention, but the reluctance of the press to fully report on this contributes to the myths.

lcakethereforeIam · 01/01/2025 16:34

I believe in Canada, possibly some American states, probably Germany and Spain he'd have been committing a crime.

That story is so sad. Wonderful for him and his daughter, but tragic for what it says about how young girls, children, feel about what awaits them, about what too many have already experienced.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 01/01/2025 16:47

lcakethereforeIam · 01/01/2025 16:34

I believe in Canada, possibly some American states, probably Germany and Spain he'd have been committing a crime.

That story is so sad. Wonderful for him and his daughter, but tragic for what it says about how young girls, children, feel about what awaits them, about what too many have already experienced.

Your right and if Labour push through the Conversion Therapy Ban through, as they promised, what he did will be considered illegal here to. 😒

BonfireLady · 01/01/2025 17:05

I believe in Canada, possibly some American states, probably Germany and Spain he'd have been committing a crime.

Yes.

In the UK, I would urge all parents to look at their schools' safeguarding policy. In particular, does it a) adequately reference and make sense of paragraphs 205-209 of the new statutory KCSIE guidance (which separate LGB from T/gender questioning and reference the Cass Report) and b) risk framing parents as a domestic abuse risk to their children if they don't actively affirm a child who is either declaring a trans identity or is in some way "exploring their identity".

We're a whisker away from "conversion therapy" being written into law, which could criminalise anyone who tries to unpick someone's distress - including children. If you combine it with badly written school safeguarding policies, parents could easily find themselves on the wrong side of the law when they are actually doing something sensible like this dad. Obviously PBs are now illegal for under 18s but cross-sex hormones aren't.

there's such a reluctance of the media to openly explore the roots and reality of all this.
The idea we've let a generation of children believe their bodies are wrong, that the most appalling experimental drugs and surgery are a positive with the press simpering in the background about "trans children" is quite unbelievable.

It's gradually being exposed. The BBC is one of the biggest disappointments as they should have the capacity and drive to investigate it, but they aren't doing that. I suspect it's a combination of ineptitude and active editorial control that is keeping it from full exposure. However, we've got ex-BBC journalists like Hannah Barnes, Deborah Cohen and now Nick Wallis on the case. Other investigative journalists that are still on the BBC books, like Louis Theroux and Stacey Dooley are going to end up looking pretty exposed if they don't wisen up and start actively investigating it without the current bias towards "being kind" to "trans children".

When the BBC does finally get around to writing about this medical scandal, they'll no doubt credit themselves for their occasional good journalism. They'll presumably gloss over the fact that they limited its reach (Hannah Barnes talked about how little promotion her Newsnight expose got, for example) and waited until it was safe to start talking openly about it. Before going full guns on this, they'll also presumably gradually tidy up all their programme and website material to remove or dampen down their evangelising of gender identity belief, particularly to children. However, there will be plenty of people with receipts who can contribute to what will inevitably be a huge inquiry in the future.

Sadly, I don't think heads will roll at the BBC or in any other media organisation though. They'll find a gaslighting way to avoid blame, saying it was just "too toxic" to talk about it all and that they acted in an "impartial" way.

Edited to add: I've just seen your comment too about the conversion therapy Bill @TheywontletmehavethenameIwant I'm concerned that dots aren't yet being joined up quickly enough on this.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 01/01/2025 18:09

I sent my MP an email with a link to this article, I asked him to consider the potential ramifications of a Conversion Therapy Ban, I'm hoping as a father himself he will relate to the actions of this father instead of being swayed by the stupidity of so many of his fellow MP's (he's Labour).

BonfireLady · 01/01/2025 18:23

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 01/01/2025 18:09

I sent my MP an email with a link to this article, I asked him to consider the potential ramifications of a Conversion Therapy Ban, I'm hoping as a father himself he will relate to the actions of this father instead of being swayed by the stupidity of so many of his fellow MP's (he's Labour).

That's a great idea.

I think many/most MPs will need to be handheld through it. Firstly, many won't want to open a Daily Mail article, let alone read it with an open mind. Secondly, many will assume that the banning of puberty blockers in the UK somehow sorts this out. If they can see the parallels between the routine prescribing of puberty blockers in Australia and the same regarding cross-sex hormones in the UK**, this may be enough to nudge them there, as long as they are also able to see that LGB and T/gender questioning are not the same thing.

**I am aware that there is a waiting list in the NHS for gender identity related appointments, but the private clinics can (and do) routinely prescribe cross-sex hormones from the age of 16.

Sasskitty · 01/01/2025 18:29

‘Now, a crucial question we must all ask: have our doctors been making a terrible mistake with our children?’

Cass UK gives them their answer. Why aren’t they listening?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 01/01/2025 18:38

BonfireLady · 01/01/2025 18:23

That's a great idea.

I think many/most MPs will need to be handheld through it. Firstly, many won't want to open a Daily Mail article, let alone read it with an open mind. Secondly, many will assume that the banning of puberty blockers in the UK somehow sorts this out. If they can see the parallels between the routine prescribing of puberty blockers in Australia and the same regarding cross-sex hormones in the UK**, this may be enough to nudge them there, as long as they are also able to see that LGB and T/gender questioning are not the same thing.

**I am aware that there is a waiting list in the NHS for gender identity related appointments, but the private clinics can (and do) routinely prescribe cross-sex hormones from the age of 16.

I share your misgivings about him even reading it, as it's from the Daily Fail, but I copied a pasted some quotes from the father into the email, and mention the daughter was 11 years old, so I hope his 'better angel' will prompt him into reading it.

SidewaysOtter · 01/01/2025 18:54

What on earth happened - or, more accurately, didn't happen - during those two sessions that this girl was about to take life altering drugs without any idea of the side effects?!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/01/2025 19:11

MrsOvertonsWindow · 01/01/2025 15:53

That's a really interesting perspective BonfireLady. For all the media attention paid to gruesome crimes etc that are described in horrific detail, the endless analysis and punishment for wrongspeak, there's such a reluctance of the media to openly explore the roots and reality of all this.
The idea we've let a generation of children believe their bodies are wrong, that the most appalling experimental drugs and surgery are a positive with the press simpering in the background about "trans children" is quite unbelievable. On one hand writing articles supporting mixed sex facilities that decriminalise flashing and voyeurism, while on the other criticising the police for failing to pick up Wayne Couzens for flashing as it's a gateway to more serious sex offences. No joining up the dots.

The stark MoJ data about sex offenders (that still fails to include those with a GRC) is such a red flag and although it's now being reported, it's still left to the public to join up the dots about what an onslaught this is on the safety of children, women and the vulnerable. I understand the reluctance of parents to expose their children to media attention, but the reluctance of the press to fully report on this contributes to the myths.

Yes to joining the dots.

Your point about Wayne Couzens and the flashing and voyeurism reminded me of the Gisèle Pélicot case. What her husband did to her only came to light because he got caught upskirting and some smart cookie advised the police to literally check his hard drive.

As a society we are not good at investigating obvious red flags.

There are so many dodgy people involved in "gender affirming care" for children, from doctors who have been suspended or struck off like the Webberleys, to the surgeon who performs mastectomies on 13 year olds and advertises to teenagers on TikTok, to Mermaids with Susie Green at the helm and Jacob Breslow on the board of trustees. All these obvious bad eggs should be enough to make sensible people think, "If these people are driving it, it's probably wrong. Let's investigate further."

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