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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mr Menno is Fab!

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Lovelyview · 22/12/2024 23:59

In this video he takes apart Bruce (Caitlyn) Jenner's 'tru trans' schtick. He's so good at it.

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OldCrone · 26/12/2024 00:11

SinnerBoy · 25/12/2024 23:28

Fuck.

I mean, I can understand wearing his wife's clothes, because he's sort of confused and doesn't quite dare to go out and buy his own, but stealing his daughter's is really...

Something else.

There's something almost incestuous about it.

Catsmere · 26/12/2024 00:15

OldCrone · 26/12/2024 00:11

There's something almost incestuous about it.

Not almost.

Datun · 26/12/2024 08:53

UtopiaPlanitia · 25/12/2024 22:11

I can't get my head around the fact that Jenner happily tells the story of wearing his daughter's clothes (to the point where the teenage daughter set up her laptop to film her room in order to find out who was wearing her clothes). I mean, why these men tell stories of stealing and wearing the clothes of their female family members as if it's a badge of honour (AND they have this fact accepted by journalists/telly presenters without question) is beyond me. Our society has become too nonchalant and tolerates too much dodgy stuff under the guise of being liberal.

wearing his daughter's clothes (to the point where the teenage daughter set up her laptop to film her room in order to find out who was wearing her clothes

I wonder a) what clothes? b) how she knew someone was tying them on

Also why did Jenner turn this into an anecdote for public consumption? It's not very pleasant for his daughter. Jenner's not stupid, I wonder if it was an attempt to control the narrative.

If it was, I'd say it was highly successful.

OldCrone · 26/12/2024 09:26

Datun · 26/12/2024 08:53

wearing his daughter's clothes (to the point where the teenage daughter set up her laptop to film her room in order to find out who was wearing her clothes

I wonder a) what clothes? b) how she knew someone was tying them on

Also why did Jenner turn this into an anecdote for public consumption? It's not very pleasant for his daughter. Jenner's not stupid, I wonder if it was an attempt to control the narrative.

If it was, I'd say it was highly successful.

But why say something that makes him look like such an absolute pervert?

It's so much worse than saying he had a secret stash of women's clothes that he'd bought for himself, or even confessing to trying on some of his wife's clothes.

Datun · 26/12/2024 10:02

OldCrone · 26/12/2024 09:26

But why say something that makes him look like such an absolute pervert?

It's so much worse than saying he had a secret stash of women's clothes that he'd bought for himself, or even confessing to trying on some of his wife's clothes.

Maybe the daughter threatened to go public. And it was damage limitation.

I agree it makes him look bad. But we seem to be in the minority, given the public reception

OldCrone · 26/12/2024 10:54

Maybe the daughter threatened to go public. And it was damage limitation.

That seems unlikely to me. Given the way things are in the US, his daughter would be painted as an evil terfy bigot, with Jenner as the victim.

I think it's more likely that he thought this would look similar to the fantasy of being a teenage girl and having girly pillow fights that these men seem to have. He didn't realise how this would look to many people - that he was involving his daughter in his sexual fantasies.

Datun · 26/12/2024 11:08

OldCrone · 26/12/2024 10:54

Maybe the daughter threatened to go public. And it was damage limitation.

That seems unlikely to me. Given the way things are in the US, his daughter would be painted as an evil terfy bigot, with Jenner as the victim.

I think it's more likely that he thought this would look similar to the fantasy of being a teenage girl and having girly pillow fights that these men seem to have. He didn't realise how this would look to many people - that he was involving his daughter in his sexual fantasies.

ugh, that's so creepy if you're right.

I've never quite understood how that confession didn't absolutely bury him, to be honest. But it really didn't.

Mochudubh · 26/12/2024 14:31

Catsmere · 26/12/2024 00:07

I can imagine that if Savile was around now, all he'd have to do to shut down any hint of criticism was proclaim himself a woman.

IIRC from the Louis Theroux interview, Savile kept all his late mothers clothes. Definite Norman Bates vibes.

Tallisker · 26/12/2024 15:29

His mouth and his speech is really strange and he is very difficult to watch and listen to. Is that caused by surgery? I'd never heard of him or from him when he was an athlete.

UtopiaPlanitia · 26/12/2024 16:57

I think it must be the surgery because I remember him from my childhood, when he was a famous athlete and also did some TV acting, and he sounded/looked completely normal. He was actually quite handsome in a sporty way (but, in hindsight, always had very groomed eyebrows compared to other men).

MerrySynthmas · 26/12/2024 17:07

I don’t know how a tall, athletic man could fit into a ten year old girl’s clothes. He is a bit vague when he says ‘about 10’ years old. Is this that thing of lying about age to sound less sexual? The men say “I have been doing this since I was five”, because they know that admitting it started when they were thirteen, would clearly make it sexual in other people’s minds.

I am with Datun, about him speaking about it to control the narrative. A fifteen or sixteen year old girl is far more likely to a) have some clothes that would fit a male decathlon winner, and b), have the wherewithal to notice her clothes have been interfered with, and to set up a camera to catch the perpetrator.

If a teenaged girl caught her dad dressing in her clothes, she would definitely speak to people for support, as would her mother. The friends who they leant on would be very tempted to tell others about it- very few people have the self-control to keep a secret that big to themselves. So it was probably one of those pieces of hot gossip flying around, widely known, that was ‘bound to come out’ at some point. So Jenner decided to announce it publicly first, make out it was a child’s clothes, so people wouldn’t picture the actual teenager’s bras, knickers, tights and skirts he was posing in.

Tallisker · 26/12/2024 18:17

Yuckety yuk yuk yuk 🤮

Catsmere · 26/12/2024 20:18

Mochudubh · 26/12/2024 14:31

IIRC from the Louis Theroux interview, Savile kept all his late mothers clothes. Definite Norman Bates vibes.

I should have guessed. (Australian here, so Savile was never a figure in my consciousness growing up, or even when all the truth came out.)

Toseland · 26/12/2024 20:46

OldCrone · 26/12/2024 09:26

But why say something that makes him look like such an absolute pervert?

It's so much worse than saying he had a secret stash of women's clothes that he'd bought for himself, or even confessing to trying on some of his wife's clothes.

He's a trans trailblazer - he's trying to push the boundary or Overton window.
If he can get away with saying outright in public that he stole his daughter's underwear to wear - and get away with it, and it's normal, it makes life so much easier for every other pervy bloke who comes into trans the same way.
If he gets backlash he might be able to smooth it over with platitudes or confusion as the press are biased... it's a risk but one he is willing to take as the rewards are so great.

Lovelyview · 29/12/2024 16:23

Just been reminded of the Monroe Bergdorf song. Very catchy!

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UtopiaPlanitia · 29/12/2024 20:39

Oh that one was quite the (enjoyable) earworm 😂 It lodged in my brain for about a week when I heard it first 👏

BuntyBeaufort · 21/01/2025 18:48

Only just found this. Thank you, it's cheered me up no end.
There's so much bullshit and wilful self-deceit around the "trans" subject that it's great to see it debunked so elegantly and with humour.
Off to find more if this guy now .....

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