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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gender reveal parties...

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PokerFriedDips · 22/12/2024 14:02

I didn't want to hijack the thread of yet another starry-eyed young mum who calls the announcement of the sex of their baby a "gender reveal".

Tbh I think the whole americanised shebang is tacky but that's not what this thread is about.

I'd like to know whether there's a correlation between the tendency of any given set of parents to have a "gender reveal" party for their unborn baby and the tendency of that child to later identify as trans? Does the sexist attitude that emphasises sex as the most important personality-defining trait which is intrinsic to the idea of a gender reveal party, and the corresponding tendency to colour code their children, carry with it a higher likelihood that a child will rebel against being defined in that way? Does the attitude of "whatever, so long as the baby is healthy/let clothes be clothes and let toys be toys attitude provide children with any protection against trans ideological capture?

Could such Sociological Research happen?

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HaddyAbrams · 27/12/2024 21:52

Anecdotes don't mean data. But here's my experience.

Friend A has a DS and a DD. When they were small she was very keen that they grew up without gender rules. But actually she pushed the "opposite" on them. DS wore a lot of pink, flowers etc. DD was never dressed in pink. If anyone bought pink things they got asked not to do so again. Both DC now identify as trans.

Friend B. Has 3 DDs. They had a full range of toys and clothes. 2 currently identify as boys.

None of them had gender reveals.

WeeWigglet · 28/12/2024 12:18

duc748 · 27/12/2024 14:27

I wasn't particularly aware that there 'was' a re-emergence of the strict pink/blue thing; I don't spend much time in toy-shops, but I guess it explains the views I see on MN. I suppose those Disney princesses have more impact than I realised. I thought the idea of boys' toys and girls' toys had been debunked more or less for good. What I do see nowadays, which was rare when I was a kid, millennia ago, is more girls playing football.

Withoit being brude, I'm unsure how you've missed it Duc - walk into any clothing dept and its invariably five aisles if overwhelmingly pink items & one aisle of grey & maroon.
Go and buy a buggy and there is a pink one, a navy one and maybe a grey.
Toy shops again aisles of the same toys in pink/blue options including the old neutral staples of stuff like Lego & roller boots.

I get that's mainly marketing - buy the same thing twice for siblings, but apart from child hood look at the desirable images we're giving children with highly exaggerated male and female characteristics - contoured faces, big eyes & huge lips v. bushy beards & big muscles.

Compare & contrast to the 80's where Barbie absolutely was a thing and Daisy Duke was rocking her hotpants, but toys and people were in no way as gendered as a norm to the same extent as now IMO.

The middle has shrunk & been rebranded 'non binary' which makes it a thing, when it's not a thing.

MarieDeGournay · 28/12/2024 15:37

Little children's t-shirts are a target-rich environment if you're looking for evidence of on-going gender stereotyping.

Apart from the butterflies and rainbow vs. fire engines and trucks imagery, the messages in the slogans are incredibly stereotyped, for example HERE COMES TROUBLE, I'M THE BOSS, MUMMY'S LITTLE CHEEKY MONKEY and HUGS AND KISSES, DADDY'S LITTLE PRINCESS, and BE KIND [!]

Even if they didn't separate the clothes into boys' and girls' sections, which most shops still do as far as I can see, it would be obvious from the colours, images and words who they were aimed at.

Although many toyshops stopped labelling sections as 'girls' toys' or 'boys' toys', the pictures, colours and wording on the boxes do the job just as well. Argos no longer separate girls' and boys' toys, but it doesn't take much to work out who the 'Shimmer N Sparkle Glitter and Gem Lip Gloss Lockets' and the 'Haynes Build Your Own Internal Combustion Engine' are aimed at.
And in case of any doubt, there's a picture of a girl illustrating the former, and of a man and a boy illustrating the latter.

Both are aimed at 9-12 year olds. While a boy of this age is expected to be building a model of of an ICE engine, a girl is expected to be making sparkly lockets and tie-dye hair extensions... and it's nearly 2025..

As Nicole Hollander said back in the 80s 'Mercy, it's the revolution..'

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