No payout for WASPI women

[ErrolTheDragon]

Fury as women hit by pension age rise denied payouts www.bbc.com/news/articles/czr36842nd6o

Wow... it hadn't occurred to me that the ombudsman report on this would just be ignored.

Im amazed anyone really thought this would be paid.

It was a tokenistic amount of money at a vast cost to the nation. The vast majority of women were well aware of the changes coming. My mother is one & was baffled that anyone could have not been aware.

To be honest it's not a Labour thing or a Conservative thing... it's a British Government thing. This just joins a long list of scandals that have occurred under both colours of politics such as Blood, Post Office Horizon. What should happen doesn't and never has.

Well, maybe if you've got politicians promising they'll pay it if they get elected, you may be forgiven for believing them.

www.ftadviser.com/pensions/2018/11/15/govt-to-save-11bn-from-pension-age-increase/

11 billion a year saved suggested by this FT article.

And Starmer....

Rayner thought it would and should be paid

Angela Rayner promising to 'right that injustice' - 'we will compensate them for the money that they've lost - this is their money that they've had stolen off them and it's completely unacceptable and any government, any government, should act responsibly to these women'.

I'm not surprised that we will get nothing, but that's not because we weren't wronged or that it's our fault or that we don't deserve it or that the money could be better used elsewhere or that women (especially older women) aren't important.

I've simply seen what's happened to other groups who've been wronged & denied justice & compensation. This is what always happens.

Look at Windrush, the government paid a few token ones and is now literally waiting for those wrongly deported, jobs lost, careers shattered, NHS medical care withheld so in medical debt and so on to die so they don’t have to pay a teeny tiny bit of compensation.

The money is going to all the people who were deliberately infected with AIDS as children by NHS doctors experimenting on them. Sorry, but I think that is more important than waspi women’s surprise that by not looking up the changes to retirement ages now and then that they had an outdated idea they’d get to retire early…

Thanks.

State pensions were never supposed to fund long retirements. When introduced with an age of 70 life expectancy was still in the 60s i believe so most people died before they ever received it. People seem to have this bizarre idea that we can afford to spend half our lives either studying or retired and not actually working.

They’ll be blaming Covid then. Same as the u-turn on student fees.

Yet wasn't in their Manifesto, so why would anyone think it would be paid?

Thing is, everyone wants this or that, yet all seem to think the Govt has a Golden Goose "Need 10 billion for this or that? he is another golden egg"

With all the attention on how bad our military is, our Police, NHS, Uni's etc etc and all demanding more money, it is quite incredible people still think we have £10 billion going spare, most of which would go to women perfectly aware of the increase in pension age.

Which i guess is why no one answers the question "Which tax should go up to pay for this?"

On the accelerated timescale to the Pensions Act 2011...
Let us not forget how the then Tory Chancellor George Osborne boasted that, “this probably saved more money than anything else we’ve done."

This has resulted in unfair transitional arrangements to protect women born in the 1950s. We did not have enough time and many did not have sufficient financial resources to rectify the resulting shortfall. Women have lost out!

Yet wasn't in their Manifesto, so why would anyone think it would be paid?

Oddly, given all the Labour supporters who were so vocal on MN before the election, nobody answered the question, 'What will Labour do for the WASPI women?'.

It's about 12k starting next year

Easy to go on about it there

Then flip on it. So this is an injustice then?

@Thisiswhathings £12k isn't high

Do you think it is?

I think it's more about what's affordable with the population getting older at some point there will be a very difficult decision to totally change the SP. I think it should have been merged like in other European countries, for some it's more than enough. They have lots of other income for others it's not enough. Trying to get away from people paying there "stamp" will be a real difficult one.

Parliament is sovereign over any "ombudsman" in any industry. I'm not a natural Labour voter but I'm glad this is being knocked down.

The defined-benefit universal state pension is a dying beast which is strangling the UK in its death throes. Very few people have "paid into it" in any real sense.

I’m probably going to get a load of angry replies, but I genuinely don’t understand the issue. My state retirement age is 68. I’d like to retire at 60, but the pension pays at 68 so I keep working until 68. Why are waspi women worse off, surely they only are if they still retire at 60 before reaching retirement age? Surely the issue is solved by not retiring until retirement age? Can anyone explain please ?

I'm not meaning anything by this, just a fact as I was once a pension fund trustee....

When the pension was introduced in 1908 for people aged 70, life expectancy for woman was 55 and for men it was 51. The 5s a week was intended to provide for people who were so aged, they really couldn't work anymore.

It is totally shit for many women. The rules changed more than once, and to say “letters don’t matter as nobody reads them” has about the same level of insult as “those women of a certain age” comment did. Women already have spent decades earning less, trying to balance responsibilities and time caring for their parents with retirement. Now they just have to do it with no money. Yes ,some of us can manage but many aren’t living on adequate incomes. Labour doesn’t care for women any more than any other party and I am glad I spoiled my vote at the last election. If this reduction of income had happened to men, there would be hell to pay. And money is there to pay non attenders at Parliament, I will respect them when they start refusing their allowances due to the taxpayer bill. And , incidentally we are also tax payers.

Bloody Norah.
The sodding ombudsman recognized they'd had the dirty done on them.
Best not to post rubbish on a topic you clearly know nothing about

They seem to be claiming that when the state pension age was raised to be equal to that of men they weren't informed about the change.

I'm a bit too young to be a WASPI, but I was aware in the 90s that my pension age would be raised to be the same as that for men. These women must have made an enormous effort to avoid reading any newspapers or watching TV news or listening to the radio in order to remain ignorant of the changes.

Most women were aware of this. There seems to have been a tiny minority who for some reason were unaware.

The main issue seems to be the later change from 65 to 66+ which they claim wasn't publicised. Since this affected men as well, why isn't there also a campaign from men who were affected by this change? I'm not saying 'what about the men', but I'm genuinely puzzled that these women thought that once the pension age was equalised with that of men that any change for men wouldn't also affect them.

Anyway, since most women were aware of the changes it seems ridiculous to compensate all of them.

Is that life expectancy at birth or life expectancy at some later date (those who reach adulthood for example). Those figures seem very low, but could easily be skewed by high infant mortality rates.

Do you have some more details on life expectancy at that time?