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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mermaids statement on puberty blockers ban

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WandsOut · 17/12/2024 10:31

mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/statement-criminal-ban-on-puberty-blockers/

Note also the handy list of organisations they signpost to, all of them presumably want to keep giving experimental treatment to confused young people. All of them need to be watched very closely.

Organisations
Mermaids
The Kite Trust
Free2B Alliance
The Rainbow Project
The Proud Trust
Consortium of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Voluntary and Community Organisations
Gendered Intelligence
Equality Network
Scottish Trans
TransActual
Rainbow Migration
LGBT Youth Scotland
Galop
Stonewall
Sparkle
Supported by IGLYO and Transgender Europe (TGEU)

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FetchezLaVache · 17/12/2024 10:35

Every single child and young person, across all nations of the UK, should be able to get the care that they need to grow up happy and healthy. To be supported by well trained, knowledgeable professionals who can make the right decisions with them, and who have access to appropriate medical treatments

I agree with this bit, but not how they mean it.

user98786 · 17/12/2024 10:35

If they really cared about kids they would stop this nonsense. Instead, they keep going despite the evidence of harm it causes. For their own ulterior motives. Gives me the fucking creeps

user98786 · 17/12/2024 10:40

FetchezLaVache · 17/12/2024 10:35

Every single child and young person, across all nations of the UK, should be able to get the care that they need to grow up happy and healthy. To be supported by well trained, knowledgeable professionals who can make the right decisions with them, and who have access to appropriate medical treatments

I agree with this bit, but not how they mean it.

Well, exactly. The witch in the gingerbread house (probably a man disguised)

Thingybob · 17/12/2024 10:53

Didn't the Charity Commission require Mermaids to have regard for the recommendations of the Cass Review?

That statement opposes them

CocoapuffPuff · 17/12/2024 10:57

Every single child and young person, across all nations of the UK, should be able to get the care that they need to grow up happy and healthy. To be supported by well trained, knowledgeable professionals who can make the right decisions with them, and who have access to appropriate medical treatments

This bit really doesn't mean what they think it means.....

They're never going to learn, are they? It's ride or die, right till these sorry organisations are wiped from the face of the earth. Huge bummer as I'm sure many of them did really important work till the Kool Gang invaded.

WandsOut · 17/12/2024 11:04

Thingybob · 17/12/2024 10:53

Didn't the Charity Commission require Mermaids to have regard for the recommendations of the Cass Review?

That statement opposes them

"The regulator also asked Mermaids to amend the information it had on its website about puberty blockers to also reflect the findings of the Cass Review, which it has."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c154glwppwxo.amp

Must be more detail about this somewhere.

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TickingAlongNicely · 17/12/2024 11:10

I really don't understand their logic.

In the past, when a medication has even been rumoured to be dangerous, like the MMR and autism misunderstanding, or actually dangerous, like thalidomide, the uproar has been immense and widespread.

However, they seem to want to actively use the medication and see any naysayers as been the hurtful ones.

Why don't they want proper research?

JFDIYOLO · 17/12/2024 11:20

I'm trying to find research and conclusions on the long term and permanent effects (physical, developmental, neurological etc) of puberty blockers on male and female patients, but the fact it's difficult suggests the conclusion is correct. That we just don't know. So finding out first is essential.

Our current understanding of the importance of puberty in the development of cognitive function, animal studies and very limited data from human studies do not support the notion that puberty blockers have no impact on cognitive development or that any effects are reversible. Indeed, the evidence to date points in the other direction. :-

https://can-sg.org/2024/01/21/puberty-blockers-and-teenage-brain-development/

JFDIYOLO · 17/12/2024 11:29

A useful article from the American College of Clinical Pharmacy

The NHS updated guidance on treatment of gender dysphoria removed statements about the reversibility of GnRH-analogs and now states, “little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria"

https://accpjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jac5.1691

WhatterySquash · 17/12/2024 11:59

TickingAlongNicely · 17/12/2024 11:10

I really don't understand their logic.

In the past, when a medication has even been rumoured to be dangerous, like the MMR and autism misunderstanding, or actually dangerous, like thalidomide, the uproar has been immense and widespread.

However, they seem to want to actively use the medication and see any naysayers as been the hurtful ones.

Why don't they want proper research?

I find this mindblowing too - do they even realise how it makes them look? "Be gone with your facts, evidence and efforts to avoid harm! How very dare you!"

But they've been living in the milieu of genderism where denying reality, logic and evidence is what it's all based on. And a key tenet of the whole thing is that anyone who questions anything at all about it is a "bigot" who "hates trans people". So they convince themselves that even cautious safety testing, safeguarding and evidence-based medicine, of the kind that apply to most other medical treatments, is some kind of evil anti-trans plot.

WhatterySquash · 17/12/2024 12:03

Although having said that, there was a BBC piece recently about how trans people are being let down by the NHS as their actual sex isn't on their medical records and so this can lead to misdiagnoses and inappropriate treatments - LIKE WHAT THEY DEMANDED. (I mean duh, both to those who demanded this, and the NHS for going along with it)

So I won't be surprised if soon it flips to "unevidenced puberty blocker policy let down trans kids!" and pretending they'd never spent years pushing it.

heathspeedwell · 17/12/2024 12:55

The actual lack of understanding many young gender confused people have about this is frightening. I was talking to some teens about this on social media and one said that you don't need genitals to orgasm. They all genuinely believe that kids who take blockers still go through puberty, even after you point to the example of Jazz Jennings.

How can any young people give informed consent when so many people are lying to them?

FranticFrankie · 17/12/2024 14:25

LGBTyouthScotland??? Really?

None of those organisations appear to be impartial at all
Good grief

BonfireLady · 17/12/2024 20:35

We encourage people to write and post responsibly about this matter, bearing in mind the impact this can have on the mental health of others.

This is perhaps the worst part of the statement, given they have a) sown fear (by saying that the decision is dangerous, and conflating it with access to support in general) and b) positioned themselves as the heroes who these children and their parents can trust.

The actual lack of understanding many young gender confused people have about this is frightening. I was talking to some teens about this on social media and one said that you don't need genitals to orgasm. They all genuinely believe that kids who take blockers still go through puberty, even after you point to the example of Jazz Jennings.
How can any young people give informed consent when so many people are lying to them?

Fully agree. The misinformation that it's possible to go through puberty of the opposite sex is widespread.

Its source is logically either deliberate misinformation or deliberate conflation of facts and hopes. Either way, and even if I'm wrong on one of these assumptions, the doctors that could dispell this myth don't seem to be attempting to do so with any volume.

Cass is edging there, with the her latest statement in the Lords that puberty blocker use in gender dysphoria is disrupting an otherwise healthy endocrine system. But it needs spelling out. Puberty of the opposite sex is impossible. There is either puberty or no puberty.

WandsOut · 17/12/2024 22:15

FranticFrankie · 17/12/2024 14:25

LGBTyouthScotland??? Really?

None of those organisations appear to be impartial at all
Good grief

It's ALWAYS LGBT Youth Scotland.

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