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It Is Wrong to Call For the Murder of Journalists Who Are Investigating Paediatric Gender Medicine - Ben Ryan

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UtopiaPlanitia · 14/12/2024 19:20

On Blue Sky, in the wake of the US health insurance CEO Brian Thompson’s murder, there is a concerted campaign against journalists Jesse Singal and Ben Ryan. People are calling for their deaths because, as journalists, both men have been investigating paediatric gender medicine.

I can’t believe that some of the soi-disant ‘kind’ people can still see themselves as progressive, virtuous and good while participating in discourse such as this.

Ryan has contacted UK police about one trans activist in the UK making veiled threats.

Here’s an article written by Ben Ryan about what’s happening:

https://benryan.substack.com/p/it-is-wrong-to-call-for-the-murder

”I can't believe I have to say this, but no one has a leg to stand who has called for violence toward reporters, including Jesse Singal and me, who cover pediatric gender medicine with circumspection.”

It Is Wrong to Call For the Murder of Journalists

I can't believe I have to say this, but no one has a leg to stand who has called for violence toward reporters, including Jesse Singal and me, who cover pediatric gender medicine with circumspection.

https://benryan.substack.com/p/it-is-wrong-to-call-for-the-murder

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Livinginaclock · 14/12/2024 19:24

This doesn't suprise me at all.
TRAs are unreasonable, nasty, vicious, and quite frankly, unhinged.
I do hope everyone stays safe.

MrsTerryPratchett · 14/12/2024 19:28

Even if you believe that the CEO deserved to die, for profiting from the deliberate deaths of patients, they aren't equivalent. I don't believe in the death penalty, so I don't. Even though the people profiting from the fatal opioid epidemic and health insurance arseholes come very close to justifying it.

Researchers, journalists, they are trying to find the truth. And you can't kill the truth. It is there whether you like it or not. If you wish harm on people who are talking about facts, you are the baddie. No question.

Clabony · 14/12/2024 19:46

What a very sinister group of people these Be Kinders are.

lonelywater · 14/12/2024 19:49

Clabony · 14/12/2024 19:46

What a very sinister group of people these Be Kinders are.

and then some. given some of the "WTF?" stuff on X I am amazed no one has been killed yet.

Clabony · 14/12/2024 20:13

Indeed lonelywater I don't think it's too much to say that at all. I don't Blue Sky nor X these days. So I don't really see the worst of this stuff unless it's posted here, or somewhere else I haunt.

I long ago came to the conclusion that robust debate on platforms between people who may disagree, was becoming overtaken by those who had the potential to be termed criminally insane. Or perhaps just criminal.

I think the OP's link seems to confirm thatt.

Firealarm1414 · 14/12/2024 20:26

That journalist is also very pro trans but because he has deviated from the cult by questioning child transitions he is getting death threats. They are unhinged people and it seems like they are all turning on each over on the blue sky echo chamber in the absence of the fabled 'right wing' to harrass.

UtopiaPlanitia · 14/12/2024 20:45

Clabony · 14/12/2024 20:13

Indeed lonelywater I don't think it's too much to say that at all. I don't Blue Sky nor X these days. So I don't really see the worst of this stuff unless it's posted here, or somewhere else I haunt.

I long ago came to the conclusion that robust debate on platforms between people who may disagree, was becoming overtaken by those who had the potential to be termed criminally insane. Or perhaps just criminal.

I think the OP's link seems to confirm thatt.

Jesse Singal wrote about the targeting he’s been receiving online too and he rather aptly described these people as:

”…people who seem so highly dysregulated they would have trouble successfully patronizing a Waffle House, but because they’re so active online, they can have a real-world impact.”

https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/did-i-publish-the-private-medical

Did I Publish The Private Medical Records Of Transgender Children?

Responding to a(nother) viral rumor

https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/did-i-publish-the-private-medical

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UtopiaPlanitia · 14/12/2024 20:50

Firealarm1414 · 14/12/2024 20:26

That journalist is also very pro trans but because he has deviated from the cult by questioning child transitions he is getting death threats. They are unhinged people and it seems like they are all turning on each over on the blue sky echo chamber in the absence of the fabled 'right wing' to harrass.

That’s the strange thing: both Ryan and Singal are perfectly happy to participate in the social norms demanded by trans activists and they are both unfailingly civil to trans adults who give them dogs abuse. This fact doesn’t seem to win them any respect among the activists.

Their reporting on gender medicine practices and procedures has been done with the aim of ensuring that children’s needs are taken into consideration and that they are given better care than they often receive. Why that aggravates so many adult trans activists is baffling; I would think they’d be glad someone is trying to look out for children who are highly vulnerable.

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 14/12/2024 20:58

"It Is Wrong to Call For the Murder of Journalists"

Who would of thought that we would have reached a stage in the West where this would even need to be said.

They're are all unhinged psycho's , I hope the police over here take action against the nutcase that he's reported to them.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/12/2024 21:04

That’s the strange thing: both Ryan and Singal are perfectly happy to participate in the social norms demanded by trans activists and they are both unfailingly civil to trans adults who give them dogs abuse. This fact doesn’t seem to win them any respect among the activists.

It never does, which is one of the reasons I don't see the need to do so.

Clabony · 14/12/2024 21:19

That certainly falls under threats to kill where most of us live.Their language is always violent and intended to silence and intimidate once challenged.

Definitely a modus operandi. Rat-like desperation on a very slowly sinking ship.

YellowAsteroid · 14/12/2024 21:42

Livinginaclock · 14/12/2024 19:24

This doesn't suprise me at all.
TRAs are unreasonable, nasty, vicious, and quite frankly, unhinged.
I do hope everyone stays safe.

This.

Both Singal and Ryan are proper journalists.

There are some unhinged narcissists out there.

FlowchartRequired · 14/12/2024 23:02

Jesse Singal is being doxed by the TRAs on Blue Sky. They are making awful, unfounded accusations as well. See (edited) screenshot attached.

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RedToothBrush · 14/12/2024 23:16

Firealarm1414 · 14/12/2024 20:26

That journalist is also very pro trans but because he has deviated from the cult by questioning child transitions he is getting death threats. They are unhinged people and it seems like they are all turning on each over on the blue sky echo chamber in the absence of the fabled 'right wing' to harrass.

I think this sums it up a lot.

They are over on BlueSky trying to get this guy kicked off, because on The Other Social Media, people were allowed to voice a variety of opinions.

There were a couple of posts I've seen retweeted which explain this well. A cultural group seeks to marginalise views they don't like rather than engaging with those issues.

But put them all in the same room (or on BlueSky) they all go a bit nuts with this purity spiral. And they turn in on each other. Because ultimately it's about a pecking order issue - or a class issue - they want to be top dogs, and so they will discredit anyone they perceive to be a threat to their social standing position.

It basically is a pissing contest. And if it wasn't this subject it'd be something else, but it's all about being in the cool gang.

It Is Wrong to Call For the Murder of Journalists Who Are Investigating Paediatric Gender Medicine - Ben Ryan
It Is Wrong to Call For the Murder of Journalists Who Are Investigating Paediatric Gender Medicine - Ben Ryan
Datun · 14/12/2024 23:16

UtopiaPlanitia · 14/12/2024 20:50

That’s the strange thing: both Ryan and Singal are perfectly happy to participate in the social norms demanded by trans activists and they are both unfailingly civil to trans adults who give them dogs abuse. This fact doesn’t seem to win them any respect among the activists.

Their reporting on gender medicine practices and procedures has been done with the aim of ensuring that children’s needs are taken into consideration and that they are given better care than they often receive. Why that aggravates so many adult trans activists is baffling; I would think they’d be glad someone is trying to look out for children who are highly vulnerable.

Why that aggravates so many adult trans activists is baffling; I would think they’d be glad someone is trying to look out for children who are highly vulnerable.

Quite.

I understand that adult men who identify as women need to promote the 'trans children' narrative, and treatment is part of it. But even so, to go to these lengths. It's so extreme.

I feel like I'm missing something.

UtopiaPlanitia · 14/12/2024 23:39

Datun · 14/12/2024 23:16

Why that aggravates so many adult trans activists is baffling; I would think they’d be glad someone is trying to look out for children who are highly vulnerable.

Quite.

I understand that adult men who identify as women need to promote the 'trans children' narrative, and treatment is part of it. But even so, to go to these lengths. It's so extreme.

I feel like I'm missing something.

i agree. I don't think narcissism as a descriptor would fit this behaviour; it's downright sociopathic, in my view.

@RedToothBrush Having read Lasch's The Revolt of The Elites recently, the description given in that screenshot does reflect Lasch's concerns about the middle-classes gaining too much cultural power in a country and distorting/tilting the demos/democratic process in their favour via authoritarian means.

Lasch argued that:

"These professionals traffic in information and manipulate words and numbers for a living. They live in an abstract world in which information and expertise are the most valuable commodities. Since the market for these assets is international, the privileged class is more concerned with the global system than with regional, national, or local communities. In fact, members of the new elite tend to be estranged from their communities and their fellow citizens. "They send their children to private schools, insure themselves against medical emergencies ... and hire private security guards to protect themselves against the mounting violence against them," Lasch writes. "In effect, they have removed themselves from the common life.""

Lasch also worried that:

"The decline of democratic discourse has come about largely at the hands of the elites, or "talking classes," as Lasch refers to them. Intelligent debate about common concerns has been almost entirely supplanted by ideological quarrels, sour dogma, and name-calling. The growing insularity of what passes for public discourse today has been exacerbated, he says, by the loss of "third places" — beyond the home and workplace — which foster the sort of free-wheeling and spontaneous conversation among citizens on which democracy thrives. Without the civic institutions — ranging from political parties to public parks and informal meeting places — that "promote general conversation across class lines," social classes increasingly "speak to themselves in a dialect of their own, inaccessible to outsiders." In "The Lost Art of Argument," Lasch laments the degradation of public discourse at the hands of a media establishment more committed to a "misguided ideal of objectivity" than to providing context and continuity — the foundation for a meaningful public debate."

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unwashedanddazed · 15/12/2024 00:11

Have either of these journalists remarked upon the threats of rape, murder, evisceration, grease fires, beheading, and every other vile thing imaginable made to women saying the same as them these past 10 years? The actual novels published depicting the slaughter of terfs? The mock guillotine paraded at women's meetings, the bomb threats?

Yes it is wrong to call for the murder of journalists. Also, women who say no to men.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/12/2024 09:08

Have either of these journalists remarked upon the threats of rape, murder, evisceration, grease fires, beheading, and every other vile thing imaginable made to women saying the same as them these past 10 years? The actual novels published depicting the slaughter of terfs? The mock guillotine paraded at women's meetings, the bomb threats?

Yes it is wrong to call for the murder of journalists. Also, women who say no to men.

I agree.

FlowchartRequired · 15/12/2024 10:35

I have only listened to a couple of the Blocked and Reported podcast episodes and so I am not sure if the violence and threats of violence against women has been specifically covered.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/12/2024 10:41

Jesse Singal has never been particularly sympathetic to women TRAs call "TERFs". I like the BAR podcast and think his journalist is valuable, particularly when it comes to exposing the harms to children, but he's not much of an ally to GC women per se.

RethinkingLife · 15/12/2024 11:30

Utopia Re: Lasch. That's prompting me to read the book so thank you!

Matt Goodwin expressed similar ideas on the epistemic class in the UK context. (Removed embedded links to stop them breaking but they're worth following. References to Labour's lost elections and vote share etc. are out of date.) It is profoundly disturbing that people who have firmly convinced that they are on TRSoH can bring themselves to propose assassination without it causing them to pause for a moment of reflection or wondering if they should try engagement or good faith discussion or even boring stuff like due process.

In combination with the ill-informed input from the MPs in response to Streeting, I'm filled with apprehension for the future.

Drawn from: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Values-Voice-Virtue-British-Politics/dp/0141999098?tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

Britain is in the grip of a new elite, which has been rapidly losing touch with the rest of the country, setting the stage for a looming backlash among the masses.
If you want to understand why, over the last decade, Britain was radically reshaped by the rise of Nigel Farage’s national populism, Brexit and the post-Brexit realignment, symbolised by Boris Johnson, then you need to make sense of this elite.
Britain has always had an out-of-touch elite, of course. Henry Fairlie first talked about “the Establishment” in the 1950s, an Old Boys network of wealthy, right-leaning elites in the City who fill the Tory donor class and private members’ clubs on Pall Mall.
The old elite -clearly- still exist. It continues to wield enormous power over politics and the economy. But today, in Britain, as in many other Western democracies, the axis of power is now rapidly tilting toward a new ruling class —one that overlaps with the old elite but is distinct from it in important, under-appreciated ways.
Whereas the old elite was mainly defined by its wealth, inherited titles, estates, “small C” cultural values and, often, though not always, its lack of university education, the members of the new middle-class professional elite are defined by different things.
They were swept forward, mainly, by the rapid expansion of the universities, by their elite education at one of the most prestigious Oxbridge or Russell Group universities which, like them, have swung sharply leftwards over the past half century.
Whereas back in the 1960s left-wing academics outnumbered right-wing academics by a ratio of three to one, today it’s closer to eight to one, a symbol of how both the universities and the graduates they produce have increasingly swung left.
Unlike the right-leaning old middle-class and the Tory elite, over the last ten years the new middle-class graduate elite has shifted behind the Labour Party and other liberal left parties, such as the Liberal Democrats, the Scottish National Party, or the Greens.
In fact, had only Britain’s graduate class been eligible to vote at the last election, in 2019, then Jeremy Corbyn would currently be prime minister. And this shift is now being compounded by generational change; ask Millennial graduates how they voted at the last election and only one in five will say the Tories.
The rise of the new elite, then, reflects the rise of a powerful new ‘education divide’ in Britain and other Western democracies, a deep-rooted rift which is now pushing the elite graduate minority and the non-graduate majority firmly apart —economically, politically, culturally, and geographically.
Economically, the new elite are fond of portraying themselves as the oppressed and disadvantaged, the underdogs who are railing against the ‘real’ elite. But the reality is quite different. More often than not, they have been the real winners of globalisation and the transition toward a post-industrial knowledge-based economy.
For much of the last half century, the new elite, whose families often descend from the professional and managerial classes, benefitted far more than others from the shift toward a university-based meritocracy —a system which has increasingly whittled down the definition of ‘success’ to mean having a degree from the right university.
Shaped by their privileged family backgrounds, their educational qualifications, and their much greater ‘cultural capital’ —gained from their more immersive experiences in the Oxbridge and Russell Group college system— the new elite hoovered up most of the gains from Britain’s embrace of hyper-globalisation and a political economy which was rebuilt around them, which both demanded and rewarded their skills.
They’ve benefitted culturally, too. After flooding into the creative, cultural, knowledge and public sector institutions, becoming a new “epistemic class” which creates, filters and determines what is or what is not acceptable or desirable within the national conversation, the new elite watched the prevailing culture be completely reshaped around their far more socially liberal values, tastes, political priorities, and interests.
Increasingly, when they’ve looked out at the institutions and what they create -the television programmes, films, adverts, books, museums, galleries, columns, and the national conversation more broadly- they’ve seen their worldview staring back at them while millions of others struggle to recognise their worldview at all.
This is why the rise of Nigel Farage, Brexit, Trump, and Boris were so visibly traumatic and bewildering for the new elite. Until then, this culturally isolated and politically insulated group had largely had everything their own way.
At the same time, as academics have shown, their very status as highly educated, high-flying, liberal graduates has become central to their collective identity, giving them a powerful new sense of “class consciousness”, encouraging them to look down on the less well educated or the rising number of graduates from less prestigious institutions.
Increasingly, over the last decade, this has been driving what Michael Sandel calls the ‘politics of humiliation’, a palpable sense among millions of ordinary voters that they are now being cut adrift by a highly educated elite which not only hoovered up the economic gains but often rigged the system to favour their own group over others.
Whether reflected in the new elite bribing their way into America’s prestigious Ivy League colleges, the finding in Britain that it was mainly the children of the new elite who benefitted from the expansion of universities, or the repeated failure of the elite universities to devote anywhere near as much effort to helping children from the white working-class as they devote to those from minority backgrounds (as recently symbolised by Cambridge ignoring left behind white kids altogether), this sense that the deck has been rigged for the new elite has pushed many into populism.
And geographically, too, the new elite has been drifting away from much of the rest of the country, hunkering down in elite enclaves which is compounding these divides. Aside from their degrees, members of the new elite are also defined by their postcodes in the most affluent or trendy districts in London, the big cities and university towns.
They’ve consolidated their power not only by living in the most dynamic and prosperous epicentres of the economy, benefitting from buoyant housing markets and higher rates of growth, but are also more likely to marry other members of the elite graduate class while unfriending, blocking, and distancing themselves from people who do not belong to this class or who hold different political beliefs and values.
Almost half of all university students who graduate with a first-class or 2:1 degree from one of the most prestigious Oxbridge or the Russell Group are living in London within six months of graduating, while many others flock into the same parts of south Manchester, Bristol, Brighton, Sheffield. Increasingly, as much research shows, this is pushing apart the thriving, metropolitan and diverse centres from what geographer Christophe Guilluy, who forecast the rise of the Yellow Vests, calls “the periphery”.
It’s in Britain’s declining towns, rural areas and coastal communities, the areas filled with workers, non-graduates and pensioners which the new elite deride as “Little England” or “going nowhere” — where the backlash against them is strongest.
One reason why Labour lost the last election so heavily is precisely because the party, dominated by the new elite, had spent much of the preceding twenty years doubling down on the values and the voice of the new elite while ignoring the periphery.
This is underlined by the fact that, even today, the party has still not won the popular vote across non-London England since 2001, or that Labour strategists now openly confess they did not even bother to hold focus groups and speak to voters in many of these areas for close to twenty years. They just weren’t considered important.
This is not just about Labour, however. In recent years, the growing power and reach of the new elite has been just as visible on the right of politics, reflected in the likes of of Anna Soubry, Dominic Grieve, Sarah Wollaston, and many other culturally left conservatives who either opposed Brexit or now feel completely at ease with very high immigration, hyper-globalisation, and key aspects of radical progressivism.
Consistently, as surveys show, many of Britain’s MPs on both the right and left lean much further to the cultural left than millions of voters in the country, refusing to represent, recognise and sometimes even respect people who hold different values to the socially and economically liberal consensus which tends to dominate Westminster.
And now, today, it’s this deep and growing rift between the elite graduate class and everybody else which is giving rise to three new fault lines which have been reshaping our politics and country over the past decade and will almost certainly drive more unrest in the years ahead unless we can find a way of closing them.

https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/rise-of-the-new-elite

Rise of the New Elite

How Britain's new ruling class lost touch with the country

https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/rise-of-the-new-elite

UtopiaPlanitia · 15/12/2024 14:15

@RethinkingLife You’re welcome. The book is of its time and mostly discusses American politics and society but I still found it very interesting and applicable to the UK & Ireland because where America leads we tend to follow.

That writing by Goodwin is very interesting too, thanks for posting 👍

@FlowchartRequired I gave up listening to BARpod because I found that Katie and Jesse didn’t really understand, or didn’t want to understand, GC activism in the UK & Ireland. For example, they refused to understand that when Glinner and KJK are discussing ‘grooming’ with regard to children and gender identity they are discussing ideological grooming. A phenomenon which is commonly understood to be a concern in the UK for the last number of decades, ever since the Prevent organisation was set up. However, Singal and Herzog ridiculed and criticised Glinner and KJK for indulging in the ‘tired trope’ that gay people are groomers. They made no mention of other types of grooming, either through ignorance or deliberate misrepresentation.

I don’t know if it was lack of curiosity or deliberate misrepresentation in this case but I found in general they don’t really understand people outside their own milieu and they definitely don’t fully understand Terf Island. And so I gave up listening. I’m very glad Singal is minded to investigate the medical treatment that children receive from gender clinics, he does good (cautious) work there. I think the level of abuse he’s received from TRAs is awful and I empathise with him for having to endure it. I also frequently wish he could view what adult trans activists do, in terms of affecting women, as worthy of investigation.

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annejumps · 15/12/2024 18:39

I agree. I actually subscribe to his Substack now, but I do remember back when I was on Twitter a lot he seemed to, even as he faced these same types of threats from TRAs, sort of set himself and his cohort apart from and above your average TERF rabble, seemingly blind to, as someone else pointed out, the fact that his earnest approach to respecting pronouns, etc., didn't get him treated any better in the end. I think it's not only an aspect of the intellectualist journalist mindset but also something that men sort of unconsciously do where they assume that of course they're going to be treated better than those feminist women who don't play by the rules.

RedToothBrush · 15/12/2024 19:06

RethinkingLife · 15/12/2024 11:30

Utopia Re: Lasch. That's prompting me to read the book so thank you!

Matt Goodwin expressed similar ideas on the epistemic class in the UK context. (Removed embedded links to stop them breaking but they're worth following. References to Labour's lost elections and vote share etc. are out of date.) It is profoundly disturbing that people who have firmly convinced that they are on TRSoH can bring themselves to propose assassination without it causing them to pause for a moment of reflection or wondering if they should try engagement or good faith discussion or even boring stuff like due process.

In combination with the ill-informed input from the MPs in response to Streeting, I'm filled with apprehension for the future.

Drawn from: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Values-Voice-Virtue-British-Politics/dp/0141999098?tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

Britain is in the grip of a new elite, which has been rapidly losing touch with the rest of the country, setting the stage for a looming backlash among the masses.
If you want to understand why, over the last decade, Britain was radically reshaped by the rise of Nigel Farage’s national populism, Brexit and the post-Brexit realignment, symbolised by Boris Johnson, then you need to make sense of this elite.
Britain has always had an out-of-touch elite, of course. Henry Fairlie first talked about “the Establishment” in the 1950s, an Old Boys network of wealthy, right-leaning elites in the City who fill the Tory donor class and private members’ clubs on Pall Mall.
The old elite -clearly- still exist. It continues to wield enormous power over politics and the economy. But today, in Britain, as in many other Western democracies, the axis of power is now rapidly tilting toward a new ruling class —one that overlaps with the old elite but is distinct from it in important, under-appreciated ways.
Whereas the old elite was mainly defined by its wealth, inherited titles, estates, “small C” cultural values and, often, though not always, its lack of university education, the members of the new middle-class professional elite are defined by different things.
They were swept forward, mainly, by the rapid expansion of the universities, by their elite education at one of the most prestigious Oxbridge or Russell Group universities which, like them, have swung sharply leftwards over the past half century.
Whereas back in the 1960s left-wing academics outnumbered right-wing academics by a ratio of three to one, today it’s closer to eight to one, a symbol of how both the universities and the graduates they produce have increasingly swung left.
Unlike the right-leaning old middle-class and the Tory elite, over the last ten years the new middle-class graduate elite has shifted behind the Labour Party and other liberal left parties, such as the Liberal Democrats, the Scottish National Party, or the Greens.
In fact, had only Britain’s graduate class been eligible to vote at the last election, in 2019, then Jeremy Corbyn would currently be prime minister. And this shift is now being compounded by generational change; ask Millennial graduates how they voted at the last election and only one in five will say the Tories.
The rise of the new elite, then, reflects the rise of a powerful new ‘education divide’ in Britain and other Western democracies, a deep-rooted rift which is now pushing the elite graduate minority and the non-graduate majority firmly apart —economically, politically, culturally, and geographically.
Economically, the new elite are fond of portraying themselves as the oppressed and disadvantaged, the underdogs who are railing against the ‘real’ elite. But the reality is quite different. More often than not, they have been the real winners of globalisation and the transition toward a post-industrial knowledge-based economy.
For much of the last half century, the new elite, whose families often descend from the professional and managerial classes, benefitted far more than others from the shift toward a university-based meritocracy —a system which has increasingly whittled down the definition of ‘success’ to mean having a degree from the right university.
Shaped by their privileged family backgrounds, their educational qualifications, and their much greater ‘cultural capital’ —gained from their more immersive experiences in the Oxbridge and Russell Group college system— the new elite hoovered up most of the gains from Britain’s embrace of hyper-globalisation and a political economy which was rebuilt around them, which both demanded and rewarded their skills.
They’ve benefitted culturally, too. After flooding into the creative, cultural, knowledge and public sector institutions, becoming a new “epistemic class” which creates, filters and determines what is or what is not acceptable or desirable within the national conversation, the new elite watched the prevailing culture be completely reshaped around their far more socially liberal values, tastes, political priorities, and interests.
Increasingly, when they’ve looked out at the institutions and what they create -the television programmes, films, adverts, books, museums, galleries, columns, and the national conversation more broadly- they’ve seen their worldview staring back at them while millions of others struggle to recognise their worldview at all.
This is why the rise of Nigel Farage, Brexit, Trump, and Boris were so visibly traumatic and bewildering for the new elite. Until then, this culturally isolated and politically insulated group had largely had everything their own way.
At the same time, as academics have shown, their very status as highly educated, high-flying, liberal graduates has become central to their collective identity, giving them a powerful new sense of “class consciousness”, encouraging them to look down on the less well educated or the rising number of graduates from less prestigious institutions.
Increasingly, over the last decade, this has been driving what Michael Sandel calls the ‘politics of humiliation’, a palpable sense among millions of ordinary voters that they are now being cut adrift by a highly educated elite which not only hoovered up the economic gains but often rigged the system to favour their own group over others.
Whether reflected in the new elite bribing their way into America’s prestigious Ivy League colleges, the finding in Britain that it was mainly the children of the new elite who benefitted from the expansion of universities, or the repeated failure of the elite universities to devote anywhere near as much effort to helping children from the white working-class as they devote to those from minority backgrounds (as recently symbolised by Cambridge ignoring left behind white kids altogether), this sense that the deck has been rigged for the new elite has pushed many into populism.
And geographically, too, the new elite has been drifting away from much of the rest of the country, hunkering down in elite enclaves which is compounding these divides. Aside from their degrees, members of the new elite are also defined by their postcodes in the most affluent or trendy districts in London, the big cities and university towns.
They’ve consolidated their power not only by living in the most dynamic and prosperous epicentres of the economy, benefitting from buoyant housing markets and higher rates of growth, but are also more likely to marry other members of the elite graduate class while unfriending, blocking, and distancing themselves from people who do not belong to this class or who hold different political beliefs and values.
Almost half of all university students who graduate with a first-class or 2:1 degree from one of the most prestigious Oxbridge or the Russell Group are living in London within six months of graduating, while many others flock into the same parts of south Manchester, Bristol, Brighton, Sheffield. Increasingly, as much research shows, this is pushing apart the thriving, metropolitan and diverse centres from what geographer Christophe Guilluy, who forecast the rise of the Yellow Vests, calls “the periphery”.
It’s in Britain’s declining towns, rural areas and coastal communities, the areas filled with workers, non-graduates and pensioners which the new elite deride as “Little England” or “going nowhere” — where the backlash against them is strongest.
One reason why Labour lost the last election so heavily is precisely because the party, dominated by the new elite, had spent much of the preceding twenty years doubling down on the values and the voice of the new elite while ignoring the periphery.
This is underlined by the fact that, even today, the party has still not won the popular vote across non-London England since 2001, or that Labour strategists now openly confess they did not even bother to hold focus groups and speak to voters in many of these areas for close to twenty years. They just weren’t considered important.
This is not just about Labour, however. In recent years, the growing power and reach of the new elite has been just as visible on the right of politics, reflected in the likes of of Anna Soubry, Dominic Grieve, Sarah Wollaston, and many other culturally left conservatives who either opposed Brexit or now feel completely at ease with very high immigration, hyper-globalisation, and key aspects of radical progressivism.
Consistently, as surveys show, many of Britain’s MPs on both the right and left lean much further to the cultural left than millions of voters in the country, refusing to represent, recognise and sometimes even respect people who hold different values to the socially and economically liberal consensus which tends to dominate Westminster.
And now, today, it’s this deep and growing rift between the elite graduate class and everybody else which is giving rise to three new fault lines which have been reshaping our politics and country over the past decade and will almost certainly drive more unrest in the years ahead unless we can find a way of closing them.

https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/rise-of-the-new-elite

I've been talking about 'two Britains' for at least a decade.

I feel like I'm on the edge of both.

YellowAsteroid · 16/12/2024 14:18

I’m very glad Singal is minded to investigate the medical treatment that children receive from gender clinics, he does good (cautious) work there. I think the level of abuse he’s received from TRAs is awful and I empathise with him for having to endure it. I also frequently wish he could view what adult trans activists do, in terms of affecting women, as worthy of investigation.

Singal is a serious science journalist, not a political activist. And he's lost a lot of work because of his article back in 2018 (so the research was even earlier). As well as a steady stream of death threats and slanders. So he was quite early in the cancellation/object of TRAs' wrath stakes. Earlier than a lot of GC feminists, frankly.

I think we need to be pragmatic in this fight - play the long game, and understand different people can play different roles in that fight. Journalists such as Singal, Katie Herzog, and Helen Lewis (to focus on the BARpod hosts just for the moment) have been important in putting forward a moderate reasoned & researched critique of transactivism for the mainstream of lefty/liberal readers. They may not be at Posie Parker's level of terfing, but they are doing important work.

And they have to make a living. If you've had the experience of having your job threatened by TRAs then you may know that it's a rather different experience from writing anonymously on MN.

I'm prepared to cut them some slack. We each have our lines & boundaries, and I also think that every little bit counts - from anonymous women participating in Let Women Speak to internationally publishing journalists, such as Singal & Lewis.

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