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Puberty Suppressing Hormones, House of Commons, Wes Streeting taking a firm and intelligent stand

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ScrollingLeaves · 11/12/2024 14:49

Wes Streeting is doing a good job of calmly holding his own in Parliament on this issue of puberty blockers being banned pending a trial.

Some MPs have been standing up and speaking about ‘trans kids’ and suicide and so on, and how young people currently taking puberty blockers will source drugs from other sources as they will be left so desperate. Certain MPs have shown no inkling of the wider issues concerning gender dysphoria among troubled young people.

WS read out report saying that suicide figures of trans people were skewed, and reporting of it dangerous.

Others have seemed to be more aware. Sir John Hayes has brought up those who were vilified for whistleblowing such as Kathleen Stock, the lives ruined by the Tavistock and how it could have happened? WS has just paid tribute to Hannah Barnes. Women’s concerns.

“I am very disappointed in behalf of our trans children….” Vikki Slade. She says there is no information on suicides for those on a gender waiting list. WS says all child deaths are monitored and reviewed.

Jim Allister asking about parental consent and age for the puberty blocker trial. WS ethical concerns are being taken very seriously.

“A breach of young people’s human rights” Carla Denyer (Green).

Robin Swann County Antrim asking about closing access to puberty blockers through loopholes.

Anyway, it is worth hearing WS. It seems to be the first time someone from Labour, who is allowed to speak, has seemed to have a depth of understanding about gender issues. He also speaks lucidly and with nuance.

I don’t know if he is just very clever, but in the end slippery, or actually someone who will make a difference for the better but was impressed.

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lcakethereforeIam · 21/12/2024 20:21

Article in the Telegraph, Labour fuckwits

https://archive.ph/ThU4G

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/12/21/wes-streeting-facing-backlash-labour-mps-puberty-blockers/

Good that the Equalities Minister (I forget who that is) is being led by Streeting. It's not clear from the article if the meeting proposed by Dr Cass has taken place yet. I hope the likes of Kate Osborne will (or have) take the opportunity to educate themselves. It's noticeable that Dr Cass will stand up for her work, is prepared to meet with doubters and answer questions. She doesn't just fire off a letter, a one sided correspondence.

UtopiaPlanitia · 22/12/2024 02:47

Thanks for the article link Cake.

Hmmmm, I wonder how many of the complaining Labour MPs took advantage of the opportunity to attend the meeting organised with Dr Cass to explain PB etc to them...? 😏

WarriorN · 22/12/2024 07:40

Would that be in Hansard?

Sounds like some cross checking would be worth doing

JeremiahBullfrog · 22/12/2024 08:21

The thing is if you give these drugs to stop early onset puberty you presumably stop doing it by the time the child reaches eleven or twelve. Whereas for gender dysphoria they're stuck with them till they're eighteen and deemed old enough for cross-sex hormones and surgery.

Keeping a nine-year-old looking like a normal nine-year-old is obviously a humane thing to do. Stunting a sixteen-year-old's development so they still resemble a prepubescent child, to a large extent mentally as well as physically, is such a horrifically twisted image that it's hard to see how anyone could possibly think it OK, no matter what the end goal.

(With some imagination, though, one can work out what's going on - the supporters of puberty blockers don't think about what it actually means. They only imagine the distressed teenager without "treatment", on one hand, and the beautiful passing adult trans person on the other. The adolescent trapped in an artificially extended childhood is conveniently excluded from their minds.)

WarriorN · 22/12/2024 08:44

Green light blog re Sian and Carla and their cringeworthy comments.

Also has a link to the debate embedded for anyone who wants to revisit/ catch up

thegreenlight.blog/2024/12/21/sian-berry-carla-denyer-humiliated-in-parliament-over-their-continued-opposition-to-ban-puberty-blocker-for-children/

Need to point out that the other co leader (Adrian) and the only other green mp (Ellie) have been extremely quiet on all this. I believe they do get it but are too scared of their own party to speak out.

It's a massive shame as Adrian in particular is running some good campaigns around the nhs etc.

WarriorN · 22/12/2024 08:44

Carla is apparently non binary. 🙄

Cailleach1 · 22/12/2024 10:32

WarriorN · 22/12/2024 08:44

Carla is apparently non binary. 🙄

Ah, is she?

SinnerBoy · 22/12/2024 10:45

31 trans days in the NHS calendar is ridiculous, it's more than one a fortnight. It seems like a complete waste of time and resources and is vastly out of proportion to the number of trans people.

WarriorN · 22/12/2024 10:45

It's the grift innit.

WarriorN · 22/12/2024 10:47

Ah, is she?

Not sure how tho. It's she / her on her Twitter. Says she Bi.

WarriorN · 22/12/2024 10:48

And she says she's cis here

But also pan.

Puberty Suppressing Hormones, House of Commons, Wes Streeting taking a firm  and intelligent stand
BonfireLady · 22/12/2024 11:30

WarriorN · 22/12/2024 10:48

And she says she's cis here

But also pan.

In 2020.... Interesting.

Rowan Knox's recent life journey springs to mind.

Britinme · 22/12/2024 13:55

Article in today's Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/22/nhs-faces-high-court-legal-fight-over-cross-sex-hormones/

Sorry - don't know how to put it on archive. The article begins:

A father is bringing legal action against the NHS after his 16-year old was given cross-sex hormones despite official guidance against their use.._
The Brighton man is seeking a judicial review in the High Court of the decision by his local GP to prescribe the drugs to his teenaged son for gender dysphoria.

WarriorN · 22/12/2024 14:34

Thanks - says prescribed in October. That's well within the ban dates

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