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CPS, How Many Rape Cases Are Derailed by Sexsomnia Claims?

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StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 08/12/2024 11:56

The prosecutions agency for England and Wales has previously pledged to “robustly challenge” sexsomnia claims after a string of high-profile cases where sexual offence suspects were acquitted – or had their investigations dropped – after the disorder was raised.

Suspects charged with serial sexual violence and child abuse are among those who have claimed they were in a sleepwalk state at the time of the alleged offending so could not be found guilty. Sleep experts say such claims can be difficult to disprove.
In one high-profile case, the CPS apologised and paid damages for failing to properly challenge a defendant’s claim that he had not raped a woman – and that, instead, she had been suffering from sexsomnia and engaged willingly while asleep.
Now a freedom of information request has revealed that despite its public promise to improve its hand­ling of sexsomnia claims, the CPS does not know how many cases it has dropped in the past five years, or refused to bring charges in, after sexsomnia was raised.

In April an Observer investigation identified 80 cases over the past 30 years where defendants accused of rape, sexual assault or child sexual abuse claimed to have been sleepwalking or suffering from sex­somnia at the time, including 51 in the past decade and eight in the last year. The figures are likely a significant underestimate as many cases do not reach the public domain.
It also found evidence of law firms advertising the so-called “sexsomnia defence” and boasting of charges being dropped after it put pressure on the CPS behind the scenes.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/dec/08/how-many-cases-are-derailed-by-sexsomnia-claims-the-cps-doesnt-know

This feels like a war on women and it's relentless and done with what feels like the baffled collusion of so many organisations who have no intention of doing the work that they need to resolve any of these issues.

Apologies for the poor writing, I'm angry and distressed both by this and the recent revelation that more complainants are (understandably) abandoning rape trials as they're taking years to come to court.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/dec/06/trials-collapse-as-victims-abandon-cases-amid-long-court-delays

How many rape cases are derailed by ‘sexsomnia’ claims? The CPS doesn’t know

Despite pledge to challenge claims, the prosecutions agency is not tracking how many cases it has dropped

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/dec/08/how-many-cases-are-derailed-by-sexsomnia-claims-the-cps-doesnt-know

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NPET · 08/12/2024 13:33

Not surprised you're angry & distressed. Whole things sounds f--ked. Sorry but as someone who was SA'd at 14 I ...
well I'm not going to say any more.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 08/12/2024 17:45

I'm so frustrated at the injustice of this for everyone—for individuals, for the overall system, for society—that I don't seem to be able to articulate my sorrow.

NPET - sorry feels inadequate for you and everyone like you.

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NotAScoobyDoo2 · 08/12/2024 17:59

I know someone that endured this. It made my blood boil. Sex in sexsomnia is still rape by definition (it's non-consensual) and if a man does it to a woman and claims sexsomnia then he needs treatment for the sexsomnia. The CPS should be able to order treatment in a psychiatric unit when men make this defence.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 09/12/2024 17:43

I don't even understand why there seems to be some sort of expectation that if defendants claim the complainant has sexsomnia then that is sufficient for the case (effectively) not to progress.

Are complainants genuinely supposed to demonstrate that they don't? (High profile case mentioned in OP.)

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UtopiaPlanitia · 09/12/2024 18:10

These men always have a bloody excuse:

I thought she wanted it rough...
I didn't know I was doing it because I was asleep...
We were sexting before so I though it was okay....
I though she was only pretending to be asleep...
etc, etc, ad infinitum.....

I really don't know why judges and juries take them seriously.

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