Gender Affirming Surgery - "it looks like madness, like a political horror, like the worst violation of human dignity permitted in the West since the Second World War"

[MrBungle]

New statesman
"The dawn of the anti-woke era"
https://archive.ph/qB6jY#selection-1361.414-1361.552

It's all over. The war has been lost. There are many battle still to be fought, but the battle is won.

Remember the end of Black Adder Goes Forth when they thought the war was won in 1917. It's too early to declare victory.

Yeah but if we follow that analogy... WW1 was already lost by 1915/16 the Germans just didn't have the resources to back it up

and WW2 was lost in about 1941 whatever happened for the same reasons, (specifically lack of oil and over reach in Russia)

• TRAs over reached. They thought they would win, they had momentum and right on their side after all! Then they got out, over stretched, turns out most people think they are mental once they get to know them, and they lost

Good article though

Interesting article but also throwing everything including the kitchen sink at the Democrats and ‘wokeness’. The Republican Party is certainly not the party of peace but of American isolationism, which is neither good for the US economy nor the world.

I agree that in the rush to be accepting and liberal, the left’s failure to carefully and critically evaluate the evidence was quickly exploited by TRAs. This has shown itself clearly in allowing males to enter female categories of sport. Every parent of a daughter can feel that injustice.

It is, however, manifestly unfair to characterise the shift to the left as the subtle and relentless feminisation of the Democratic Party. For one, it’s a preponderance of male health professionals / male TRAs that have enabled the medicalisation of sexuality and identity questioning teens. For two, it’s been women fighting tooth and nail to hold on to single sex spaces. Convenient to yet again blame women.

Further, I’m not sure it’s been gay people, must recruit allies, must proselytise doing the recruitment but rather TRAs false teaming to pretend their ‘fight’ is the same fight of the LGB.

Ultimately though this statement is true The trans issue will have to be compartmentalised from other civil rights issues and resolved, or it’s going to take a whole bunch of other sexual and civil rights down with it.

As is recognition that the Left is just as capable of deeply authoritarian tendencies (even if some are based on ‘good’ intentions), which is being rejected by large swathes of the voting public.

All in all it’s terrible and terrifying that the left went so far down the acceptance without question route as to inadvertently open the door to another term of the crazy orange toddler.

It's far too early to declare anything is resolved. In the UK, we're almost wholly governed, from local to national and 4 nations level, by captured institutions and organisations.

And, yes, some people just want to watch the world burn. And that would involve burning down civil rights where they conflict with their own sense of entitlement and dominance.

Hear hear, @DrBlackbird - the far side of anti-wokeness is pretty terrifying in its own right, as several right-leaning women are starting to note.

In the past fortnight I've seen two conservative female writers (Mary Harrington and Helen Roy) starting to talk about a gleeful misogyny they're seeing lurking under some "anti-woke" activists: the men who think a return to traditional families is absolutely a return to female subservience, or disparagement of any non-libertarian right wing thinking as "cultural Marxism."

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater on this one.

Al it takes is for one little kid to say they are wearing no clothes.

it’s dead.

In the past fortnight I've seen two conservative female writers (Mary Harrington and Helen Roy) starting to talk about a gleeful misogyny they're seeing lurking under some "anti-woke" activists: the men who think a return to traditional families is absolutely a return to female subservience, or disparagement of any non-libertarian right wing thinking as "cultural Marxism."

The only thing that surprises me about that is that anyone would be surprised by it.

I saw a lot to like in that article, and as a long-time NS subscriber, it encouraged me. I would have liked to see a more positive editorial attitude from the NS, but they had at least given a platform to the likes of Hannah Barnes and Kathleen Stock, and more recently welcomed HB to their staff,so a big improvement ion most of the left -wing press at least. But yes, that line about 'the subtle and relentless feminisation of the Democratic Party' kinda stuck out like a sore thumb. Who you gonna blame? Labour have the same issue. When will they realsie?

I've not read the article but wanted to say I wish it were all over but it isn't - the world has changed - it has become horribly apparent just how many people, schools, councils, companies have so little respect or care for women and children.

It is, however, manifestly unfair to characterise the shift to the left as the subtle and relentless feminisation of the Democratic Party. For one, it’s a preponderance of male health professionals / male TRAs that have enabled the medicalisation of sexuality and identity questioning teens. For two, it’s been women fighting tooth and nail to hold on to single sex spaces. Convenient to yet again blame women.

This. The trans disaster was fueled by men and it is women who are trying to stop it.

I wish there was a radical feminisation of all the parties in the USA.

Fascinating and interesting analysis in that article - thanks for posting the link OP.

Ooops, quoted the wrong post - sorry 😬

I’d like to think so but we’ve got many examples where the one little kid gets locked up in jail for speaking truth to power and everyone else carries on cheering.

Plus… will the Republicans’ anti trans (can it be characterised as pro women?) zeal in the US lead liberal minded souls to double down on #bekind in their determination to virtue signal?

From that perspective, the ascendency of the Republican Party and their successful campaigning against Democrats support for TRAs insistence on accessing women’s spaces is still a concern. Women’s material and factual needs could easily be a causality in the fight between right and left when the need for SSS is neither a right or left issue.

We already see on these boards how the easy argument for TRAs is the false pairing argument of if you agree with a bad person on the one issue of SSSs then you’re bad too. That will only ramp up with a Trump presidency and muddy the waters.

Far less the last 12 months right? The tide has turned

Sadly, it’s not over yet, just as WWI was not over by 1915/16. (Conscription was only introduced in the UK in 1916 and the maximum age for conscripts was 51 by 1918. Fighting was heavy right until the end. Likewise, the US only entered the war in 1941 and many millions more had to die before WWII was over).

Yes I think so. It's already a sort of purity test for people who identity as progressive and I think the people who feel that way will double down.

Further to the purity test, I actually think the batshittery is a purity test feature not a bug - "You say you are tolerant, but can you truthfully say you accept trans people in all ways as the opposite sex/no sex, or are you still trapped by your regressive bias?"

I think the self-identified Right Side of HIstory have got into this trap where no one actually genuinely accepts trans people as they identify without awareness of their sex, but they think that's because they were brought up with prejuciced ideas and need to do better. So even though they don't quite get they think they still should act as if they do so society gets better, the prejudice goes away and future people really don't see sex as any more significant than the size of someone's ears.

Not relevant to the thread point of historical order, Conscription was introduced to GB in 1916. Ireland was part of the UK then, and never had Conscription.

Oh it's been screamingly obvious to those of us who've been pushing back on the misogyny underpinning genderism on our own side of the political fence, but the fact that we're dealing with a massive, cross-party backlash against women's rights seems to have bypassed quite a few right-leaning women. They thought it was just the hairy-legged feminists and snooty girlbosses who needed to be thrown under the bus, and now the scales are falling from their eyes.

Maybe there IS still a heterodox pro-women's rights alliance, after all?